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I've done similar thing in the past and I'm currently developing more sophisticated tool for this exact same purpose. I don't know if the software is ever going to be public, at least for now it's just for my own team to use so no harm to give you some advice.

I'm not going to give you detailed info, but what I can say is that in many points your thinking is very flawed. The way you think Google uses and gets this information is incorrect. From some of your replies I get the feeling that you have already made up your mind and don't really want to hear anyone saying anything negative. That's completely up to you, but I suggest giving it some more thought. Idea behind this is great method, just need to find correct way to execute it.

Good luck with your project anyway!
 
domainmadness said:
I've done similar thing in the past and I'm currently developing more sophisticated tool for this exact same purpose. I don't know if the software is ever going to be public, at least for now it's just for my own team to use so no harm to give you some advice.

I'm not going to give you detailed info, but what I can say is that in many points your thinking is very flawed. The way you think Google uses and gets this information is incorrect. From some of your replies I get the feeling that you have already made up your mind and don't really want to hear anyone saying anything negative. That's completely up to you, but I suggest giving it some more thought. Idea behind this is great method, just need to find correct way to execute it.

Good luck with your project anyway!
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Thanks.

Im interested in listed ideas and opinions, that why i opened this thread.
I have some strong opinions based in facts that i am finding in our daily research and testing, its not that i made up my mind. I am a software developer for a longtime, and dont have to call the Myth Busters :) There are a lot of myths around Google and SEO and i just trust in what i prove otherwise is very easy to loose the road.
However, as i said, i want to talk about all this to have feedback, fresh ideas, etc.
But at the end i will follow the path that drives me to the point i need to go. In this case, if the serp tracking software shows me that doing some thing in some specific way give better results, i will follow that direction.

Another point is the complexity of doing all this in the better way. We are very results oriented people, facts are our maps to find the road :)
Im sure that other people, with other experience, information, etc. will develop a different tool with different ideas and results. And thats okay.

Best Regards
 
get a botnet and use that to do the activities on their browsers of the infected
 
Yeah....

What about bounce rates??

And... captchas? Google tends to put captchas on user agents that seem suspicious
 
aricherguy said:
Yeah....

What about bounce rates??

And... captchas? Google tends to put captchas on user agents that seem suspicious
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The bounce rate is determined by the software, its easy.
Captchas are no problem at all, we implement ATM DeadtByCaptcha and pass Google capctahas with no problem.
 
Stizerg said:
if you can make it to sit on the site for 1-2 minutes, then to click a random link and to wait for some time ...
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Fatboy's traffic bot has that option. You can put any time you'd like in there. It actually has everything, including making the results appear to come from google.
 
redrubies said:
Fatboy's traffic bot has that option. You can put any time you'd like in there. It actually has everything, including making the results appear to come from google.
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No, but thats a different thing.
It appears in your stats like coming from Google, but Google didn't notice that.


Here the project (and its running like a charm, including with HMA) is to make a numbers of searches with your keyword and click on your Google's result to make your site rank higher since Google obviously count then number of clicks that your site receives... Its like a "vote" just as a backlink counmts as a "vote".
I know, a click is different that a backlink, but is not less important.
Our results show us that are both (backlinks and clicks) are complementary AND very very very important for rank high.

*The advantage of HMA is that you dont need to deal with proxies.
 
We are very close to the first beta, we will open a BETA thread in the appropiate place of the forum and let you know. Just wait some days more :)
 
yenerich said:
We are very close to the first beta, we will open a BETA thread in the appropiate place of the forum and let you know. Just wait some days more :)
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Hi

I am from Spain.

I am absolutely convinced CTR works, because I have done it for my website. You are talking about footprints if you use gmail accounts, but It is more powerfull if you are logged. Anyway to make the robot with this functionality, or it would be too risky?

I want to be Betatester. I cannot send MP because I am new here, could you do it?

good job
 
To make this method effective the Geo location of the proxy has to be relevant. It's ok if your keyword is international but there's no point sending clicks from Romanian proxies to a site trying to rank for Dentist Dallas. The proxies also have to have elite anonymity otherwise Google knows it's a search from a proxy. Yes the Google search traffic algos aren't that complex but surely they'd devalue click through rates and traffic from know proxy ip's, especially if they're from another country.

I've also heard that Google have already mapped the entire network of HMA proxies and traffic from their ip's won't register on Analytics, or even if it does, it gets devalued in the traffic algo. (it may be true)

I've also run multiple tests using different providers of Google passed proxies and a lot of them don't register as traffic inside of analytics. All you do is watch your live analytics results while the bots are on your site and you'll see that more than half of the time they're not even counted as hits. I think it's because the proxy is only highly anonymous which means that although Google can't see your ip, they can still tell your using a proxy, and therefor they don't count the hits.

Google passed proxies are ok for scraping but they're very hit & miss when it comes to generating traffic stats inside analytics. Yes traffic and CTR's definitely effect rankings, but just like links, I think the traffic is only as good as the ip it comes from. This means for Dentist Dallas all clicks need to come from the US as a bare minimum, preferably Dallas, and Google can't know that the traffic is coming from proxies, so they need to be elite.

And that's where this serp manipulation method becomes very expensive indeed. Try getting elite proxies in Australia for less than $3 an ip. 500 elite Australian proxies will set you back about $1500 and you need at least 500 of them to make your campaign effective. For the majority of normal local business Seo campaigns you could definitely do some damage with 500 ip's. But then if your using those elite 500 ip's for another client it could leave a huge ip footprint if such a thing exists. What are the chances of 500 ip's hitting the same 3 sites etc. No affiliation whatsoever, but so far I've found Lime proxies to have the best selection of Geo targeted ip's that have elite anonymity and are Google passed.
 
Great idea, I wish you good luck with this project, hope everything will go as planned. :)
 
Great idea, I wish you good luck with this project, hope everything will go as planned.
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Thanks:)

Skywalker78 said:
Hi

I am from Spain.

I am absolutely convinced CTR works, because I have done it for my website. You are talking about footprints if you use gmail accounts, but It is more powerfull if you are logged. Anyway to make the robot with this functionality, or it would be too risky?

I want to be Betatester. I cannot send MP because I am new here, could you do it?

good job
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We will contact you.

Rich77ard said:
To make this method effective the Geo location of the proxy has to be relevant. It's ok if your keyword is international but there's no point sending clicks from Romanian proxies to a site trying to rank for Dentist Dallas. The proxies also have to have elite anonymity otherwise Google knows it's a search from a proxy. Yes the Google search traffic algos aren't that complex but surely they'd devalue click through rates and traffic from know proxy ip's, especially if they're from another country.

I've also heard that Google have already mapped the entire network of HMA proxies and traffic from their ip's won't register on Analytics, or even if it does, it gets devalued in the traffic algo. (it may be true)

I've also run multiple tests using different providers of Google passed proxies and a lot of them don't register as traffic inside of analytics. All you do is watch your live analytics results while the bots are on your site and you'll see that more than half of the time they're not even counted as hits. I think it's because the proxy is only highly anonymous which means that although Google can't see your ip, they can still tell your using a proxy, and therefor they don't count the hits.

Google passed proxies are ok for scraping but they're very hit & miss when it comes to generating traffic stats inside analytics. Yes traffic and CTR's definitely effect rankings, but just like links, I think the traffic is only as good as the ip it comes from. This means for Dentist Dallas all clicks need to come from the US as a bare minimum, preferably Dallas, and Google can't know that the traffic is coming from proxies, so they need to be elite.

And that's where this serp manipulation method becomes very expensive indeed. Try getting elite proxies in Australia for less than $3 an ip. 500 elite Australian proxies will set you back about $1500 and you need at least 500 of them to make your campaign effective. For the majority of normal local business Seo campaigns you could definitely do some damage with 500 ip's. But then if your using those elite 500 ip's for another client it could leave a huge ip footprint if such a thing exists. What are the chances of 500 ip's hitting the same 3 sites etc. No affiliation whatsoever, but so far I've found Lime proxies to have the best selection of Geo targeted ip's that have elite anonymity and are Google passed.
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Google has not mapped HMA proxies.
Our software can work with proxy lists or with HMA and we cant find any difference.

CTR works, thats a fact. We just need to take advantage using it.
We are very close to the first BETA.

It will be limited, only will work on 1 keyword and one url.
We will track the url and the keyword using proranktracker to make sure about results.
Also if someone want to use HMA that will be fine, to have some users with proxies lists and some with HMA.
 
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