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Inevitable Death of eBay

Discussion in 'Ebay' started by eBayMafia, Aug 26, 2010.

  1. eBayMafia

    eBayMafia BANNED BANNED

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    Well, if you don't know it by now, here's whats really been happening.

    For the past couple years eBay and Amazon have been going toe-to-toe in the major online markets. While eBay is more auction based, Amazon is more direct purchase based. eBay was in the lead up until a couple years ago when there was a new CEO, and I won't say his name. I could write a book on the negative impact his decisions made on our beloved eBay, but I won't. Soon, even with Amazons higher and more direct fee's, they pulled ahead and have been doing better than eBay for some time now.

    Meanwhile, eBay had this little thing in the east, eBay China. eBay China was eBay's new baby, it was it's Simba (Lion King reference). eBay's place in China was thought to become sturdy and gain much more control over the online market place and also make eBay much much more wealthy. However, eBay wasn't thinking clearly, and obviously knew next to nothing about China or it's people. China wouldn't stand for having to pay the fee's.

    What happens next? During the obvious decline of eBay China, a new little Chinese baby was born, and it's name is TaoBao. It's parent was Alibaba. TaoBao offered everything eBay did and more... and more in the sense that just about everything was free. Somehow, advertisements was enough to not only make TaoBao grow like a baby gorilla on steroids.... but it got so strong that it kicked eBay China in the head and buried it.

    (I wonder what eBay would be like if they would have made their income from ads instead of by nickle and diming the people that want to sell their things and make money and thus lowering their profit. Oh wait, that's what eBay is starting to do, advertise other companies products before their own Sellers, almost giving them the middle finger and taking their lunch money)


    TaoBao got big almost out of nowhere. Hell, China is big. With TaoBao getting bigger, so did it's parent, Alibaba. With both getting bigger, so did Alipay, which is their version of PayPal.

    If you didn't graduate middle school, let me explain things.

    All of the wealthiest countries, which we will associate with "eBay," are mostly Consumers. We consume things. You bring it to us, we consume it. Then we ask for more. China, which we will associate as "Alibaba" are manufacturers. They make things that consumers want and buy. They don't work for much, but saved over a long period of time, has put so much money in their pocket that they are now more wealthy than Japan as far as their economy goes.

    The bridge.

    You see, people who import or export things have always made some sort of good profit because a consumer could never just go to a Chinese website and buy something. Likewise. The "know how" just wasn't there for the average consumer. There was always this gap. People used this gap to make their money. I could go to China and order and ship a bunch of T-Shirts that cost me $1.10 USD a piece. Then I could sell these shirts for $16 USD here on eBay.us - Thats how I made profit. Now its easier for someone to just go online and buy those $1.10 USD shirts themselves. Hell, postage from China isn't even that much, and they don't have to buy 100 of these shirts to get them at that price. Well, if you have been looking at prices in China lately, that $1.10 shirt is now selling for $4.50 USD. Now maybe it can be sold for $10 USD on eBay. That's the bridge.

    Now, back to the Fight. eBay and Amazon are still fighting but now they have this huge new competitor. That's Alibaba. Meanwhile, Alibaba is buying up things that sellers use on eBay, such as Vendio, Auctiva, and who knows what else. People use these to sell products on eBay, and Auctiva for example is very clever as promoting their company through eBay listings. You know who else might be starting to worry a little? Walmart, America's largest retailer.

    Who could step in and help with the fight against the beast of Alibaba? Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, and even Facebook.

    Nobody knows for sure what's going to happen, but one thing is for sure. We are at the begging stages of the death of eBay. PayPal (owned by eBay) is still a major player, lets not forget that. But with PayPals constant nut-grabbing grip from the U.S. government and regulations... eBay's piggybank, PayPal, may be in for a surprise too.

    Symptoms of eBay's Death:

    Loss of Traffic (Check)
    Increased Advertising Offered to Increase Revenue (Check)
    Loss of Overall Sales (Check)
    Lowering of Fee's (Not yet a Check, but we will see)
    Minimal Fee's on eBay
    and finally...
    Lowering Fee's of PayPal while PayPal "increases security" by locking and freezing funds in and attempt to create a massive amount of interest.
    PayPal will almost flatline.

    How to avoid the loss of your eBay Business:

    Jump ship. Other platforms ARE available and want your business.
    Ultimately, Create your OWN ECOMMERCE WEBSITE.
    Drive Traffic to said Ecommerce website.
    Drive even More traffic to Ecommerce website.
    Try to keep customers coming back for more products.
    Do all this by learning more about how you can get the Search Engines to Work for you.
     
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  2. Gibbzee

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    Very interesting. Thanks for that! Just started seeing Alibaba ads on the tv too.
     
  3. eBayMafia

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    And to think, why isn't eBay really advertising anymore? The EPN sucks, plain and simple. Last time I seen an eBay advertisement was on a Streaming Movie site, and the ad was for Wedding Dresses. You can't even sell anything on eBay for less than $10 and hope to make any kind of actual profit. Yet, where is eBay trying to get their sellers to make money while making themselves money too? By selling MOTHER F*CKING AD SPACE.

    eBay is straight up giving all of their sellers the middle finger, NOT promoting their sellers products, and instead promoting another companies products DIRECTLY competing against their own sellers.

    How sad is it that I have to SEO my titles, check for keywords, check the market outside of eBay, SEO my descriptions with said keywords. Why should I have to pay money and use my time to drive traffic to my products and still give ebay/PayPal their 8-12%

    In fact, look at the powersellers on eBay 2 or 3 years ago. Why is it that most of them no longer sell on eBay at all anymore?
     
  4. angelas111

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    epn is a joke and going away soon. i noticed in the last few months ebay changed its link structure from giberrish to something with the title you are searching for to make it more seo friendly. its not in all categories yet only some. but once they finish this they won't need affiliates anymore because they will outrank all of them in google with this small change because their pr is so high. if you guys want to read something interesting about ebay you need to check out the article written by shawn hogan (the guy facing years in prison for cs'ing the shit out of ebay) http://blogs.digitalpoint.com/entry.php?b=215 very scary.
     
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  5. ghettogong

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    I fully agree on everything, but wholesalers dont be afraid causew consumers will not buy from other then amazon and ebay cause:
    -shipping for a few pieces is way too high
    -no return policy
    -duty and import tax in their country
    -not trustworthy
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  6. Nookie Monster

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    Yet another case of an American business model moving off shore. When will people finally wake up and smell the coffee ! EBay, like GM, will run itself out of business. Sad story my friends.
     
  7. incent

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    I'm sorry, but I don't believe for one minute that there will ever be a "death of eBay", unless some vast PR based situation kills them, or a much better, cheaper alternative comes out.

    eBay is a household name. It's not going to die. Period.
     
  8. Ebaystuff

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    Actually i think Ebay is still DOing Better than Amazon!
     
  9. win7Lover

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    yes! ebay is still rather strong here..
     
  10. tygrus

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    Thats not the death of ebay, thats the death of the american manufacturing sector.

    First world businesses will be based on resource extraction because we have them all. 3rd world will put it together because they have an overabundance of super cheap labour. Glad I am in canada.
     
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    shawn hogan >> truely a story of lesson to many of us who , just even start or think about to start cheating the system .. BIG CHEATS ... BIG TIME ... PRISON TIME...
     
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    Good, I sincerely hope paypal sinks with them. The fact that they have cornered the online payments market in the past few years has been devastating on the internet has a whole due to their Holyer than Thou terms and conditions. Not to mention the amount of people (myself included) whom they alienate and prevent from making a decent living online by limiting accounts and permanently holding money for little to no reason.
     
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    Anybody as greedy as the owners of eBay/Paypal deserve to have crappy business.

    Someone a lil further up mentioned "if ebay would've sold ads instead of nickel and diming people"...and I agree.

    The stupid thing is(that SOME of ebay's consultants went to college and have degrees, and think they're smart)...BUT, when ebay started to get REAL big? ANd they were making tons of money already?

    These idiots RAISED their fees! rofl My gosh, I could've made a stupid move like that without going to college.

    I guess TONS of money wasn't enough for them. So they THOUGHT they'd get TONS more.

    I'll be soooo happy if and when eBay goes down the drain
     
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    Why does such a post arise once in a month full of BS predictions?
     
  15. consciousnesscreates

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    IT just needs some smart person buyout and put it back like the old days and restrict Asian sellers like Government imports so the individual can be happy seller again.
     
  16. eBayMafia

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    Go troll somewhere else, there were no predictions. Too many words for you to read?
     
  17. eBayMafia

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    eBay doesn't have to disappear for it to die. I am saying Death in reference to eBay no longer being a great play to buy and sell. Alibaba will soon take that over.

    http://www.alibaba.com/activities/ibdm/082010release.html

    They already have 190 Million users.

    Less than 85 million of eBay's users are actually active, worldwide.
     
  18. xenoz

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    Great thread, forgot all about Alibaba. Can U.S. residents sign-up for
    TaoBao?
     
  19. greentitanium

    greentitanium Senior Member

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    Kmart use to be a household name too.
    BLUE LIGHT SPECIAL.
    Yeah, they are still around.... sort of.

    The only issue with ebay going down is the fact that people are scared to change ... scared of anything new or change their habits.

    I moved to amazon for my buying. Cant believe the deals. Just waiting to be burnt for my first time though. Ebay screwed up when they bought PP.

    How come there is always ONE big company running everything on the internet??
    Ebay
    PP
    Facebook
    Google
    etc...


     
  20. Grey Area Hat

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    The only problem is there is no decent alternative to ebay for uk/us right now.