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Impossible To Rank High Competitive KWs?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by AceCanoe, Jun 21, 2017.

  1. AceCanoe

    AceCanoe Junior Member

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    I've been hearing so much "negative" stuff being said here these past couple of weeks from various members claiming they know a lot about SEO. Maybe they've been around for years and in fact know any and everything in regards to SEO but going completely off and becoming aggressive about it?

    I'm talking about those who say everything besides PBNs are useless/worthless. I mean, really? Are web 2.0's actually worthless? If they don't have a RD of 500 or more, should you not even bother using it? Are new web 2.0's completely useless?

    On top of that, they add on even to having a PBN. "Oh, if you don't pay $15 per article/$12 per month per host/$20-$500 per expired domain then don't even bother". And, "If you don't have a PBN network of over 100 domains, you cannot rank. You need much more than that". Is having your own PBN really that expensive? Do you actually pay $12 or more per each host that you use?

    Impossible To Rank High Competitive KWs?

    Without paying over $1,000 to have your own PBN or buying multiple link packages worth over $400 at the market place, is it impossible to rank high competitive KWs in Google? Can you not rank alone with Web 2.0's and other diversity links? And maybe some good PBN links in the mix but not 100?

    Has it gotten to the point where owning a PBN is impossible unless you have 100K in your bank? I don't know why people here think like this and over exaggerate how expensive it is when to some people maybe it isn't depending on where they get their domains/hosts and articles from.

    I had a friend of mine from one of my CPA networks and I actually knew him when he was making $5 per day. I knew him and talked to him when he was at the bottom. I knew that he started doing SEO and ranking his sites. This was back in 2014-2015. Around that time, I feel like you didn't need a PBN to rank for certain BH keywords. And maybe the competition wasn't that high in regards to ranking KWs? I'm not sure. Moving on though, I saw him making $5 for 2-4 months to him making over $2,000 a month and eventually over $10,000 a month. Just with SEO alone. I don't recall if he ever used PBNs, I doubt he did because I think I remember asking him if he did and I don't know if owning a PBN was that popular back in 2014-2015. I feel like he was just ranking alone with Web 2.0's and other cheap ass links.

    What do you think though? Is it impossible to rank high competitive KWs now? Without a powerful PBN with 100-500 RD+ domains? I believe a lot of people are going to be quiet about this because I feel like not a lot of people here tell the truth anymore and they just want money for their services and BSTs.

    As for myself, I have been experienced with purchasing a lot of link packages here and from other various places. However, I had only owned a couple of PBN domains. Hosting is quite expensive if you do it the real way, it could add up really fast if you're not making any ROI from ranking any KWs.

    Conclusion

    Ranking alone with Web 2.0's on a high competitive KW is not possible, right? You need very powerful PBN links. Owning a PBN today is highly expensive as hosts are raising their monthly costs. Most of the PBN tutorials here are from months/a year ago where things were kind of easier/cheaper. IP networks hosts are a foot print now. More factors are becoming foot prints/bad neighborhoods.

    The bottom of the line is, if you want to rank a high competitive KW, you're going to need a high ass budget and a lot of knowledge about PBNs and buying them if you don't want to build them yourself of course. Things get harder and harder, I feel as if soon PBNs are going to be impossible to get/create. But that's my opinion.
     
  2. gman777

    gman777 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    @AceCanoe Well it depends. Is not like you need x amount of links to rank. What you need is to have more (effective) PBNs than the competition.

    Also, ranking with web 2.0 it depends. Most of the time, the web 2.0 don't have the same level of quality backlinks as an expired domain does. And even if it does, you don't know whether google applied an algo to devalue the web 2.0. So if you compare a web 2.0 and a PBN with the exact same link profile, the latter may win. You may notice how I say "may". Why? Because I don't have practical knowledge.

    Chances are the people who tell you those stuff, that talk their asses too. They feel the need to help you, but since they don't know, they give you extreme situations so that they don't feel like missinforming you.

    Most of the time, hard is relative. For an expert, a noob's definition of hard is relatively easy.

    However, there are true difficult niches like payday loans where even an expert does sweat. The best way to figure out is by testing by yourself.

    You don't feel well. If there's one thing that gets impossible, is getting expired domains. The demand of these is bigger than the supplying, which means that at a point there'd be no expired domain available. However, there's not to worry any time soon, and by that time, there will be other things to work with. There always are.
     
  3. Nut-Nights

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    You can write two more pages on this, but you cant rank a payday loan keyword with web 2.0s.
     
  4. aidenhera

    aidenhera Elite Member

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    im 100% sure web 20s are devalued:
    - they dont pass as much link juice as they could
    - and/or the devaluation comes from number of links from the same IP block/domain


    ive pointed countless numbers of webs 2.0 (tumblrs) with 500RD (up to 9000 by majestic) at MS long ass time ago and didnt notice any change. I think tumblrs are hard affected because they are so easy to get
     
  5. gentzalli

    gentzalli Junior Member

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    Web 2.0's are just not as strong as actual websites, even if the link profile is similar.

    The general rule of thumb is that if a link is easy to obtain, it probably isn't deemed as very powerful in the eyes of Google and Web 2.0's are some of the easiest links to acquire.
     
  6. gman777

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    I can imagine what kind of quality those links have if you managed to get such a gigantic RD on a web 2.0 .
     
  7. aidenhera

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    well they brought no penalty as they work as a filter.
     
  8. T2tkid

    T2tkid Elite Member

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    OP, you are asking a lot of questions, that you think you know the answers already. Yes, you can rank for payday loan with web2.0s - Go for it.
    PBN is an option for people who want to rank. Don't let the fear of PBN scare you. Find a difficult KW and build some web2.0s and comments, you are on your way to $10,000 a month.
    Lets us know what your results are after 1 to 2 years.
     
  9. nodyguy

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    Algo? Let's play with you.
    It's all about scaling up..
    When you don't have budget you don't jump to competitive keywords, you need to choose your battles wisely.
    So you start from low comp keywords, where you can make some money without investing too much, and when you start banking you are scaling it up.
    Even if you have the money to invest now inorder to jump to competitive keywords, you shouldn't do it if you never ranked sites before.
    The process will teach you much more than you could imagine.

    GL.
     
  10. ambushiv11

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    I'm going to say you can't....If you want to make money on a hard to rank niche you need to invest money first.
     
  11. leena

    leena Elite Member

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    Thing is you can spend thousands of dollars and still not rank if you don't have patience. Google has slowed down the algorithm to an extent that it passes link juice spread across several months, not as once like it used to during 2010-13. So site age is the biggest factor now a days. Build a site and let it age for several months.

    Also ON page plays a big role now a days, if you are getting low ctr, high bounce rate and people are not spending a lot of time on your site, google would not rank you top 3 no matter how costly links you get.