Im #2 but cant get #1. what are your thoughts please?

Hi all, massive thanks in advance for any help or suggestions you may have.

My site has 12 niches but ranks #2 for a KW in concern
My competitor has 1 niche and same KW in concern

Yes this rings alarm bells.

Im trying to out do them for this keyword phrase!

1) my site is well written and unique content
Their site is very poor content wise and KW wise

3)They have 200 backlinks of poor quality from stuffy/spammy sites and most not relative sites either.
I have 250 links with many good quality and they are still rising as the blasts are recent so not all indexed yet. (.edu and high PR etc)


4) my site has just shot from #7 to #2 in last few weeks but they have not moved for a longtime and i know they are my only solid competition now.
My site has been worked on and tweeked regurlarly but theirs has not been touched for months and all their links etc were out sourced to india after some investigation. My links were too but i have many more now and will have even more later.

Their domain age is only a few months more than mine (both 2008)

They have a PR3!!!!!! for a load of tat!
I have a PR1 homepage and 0 for my niche internal page in concern which is at #2 behind theres.

Most of my high PR links are relevant but point at the homepage but it is my internal niche page which ranks because of it as G can obviously read internal pages and rank accordingly.

I dont have time for article writing and i cannot afford to be penalised or sandboxed for badly spun articles.

Where do i go from here please?

I have G danced for weeks but i know i will not naturally beat these guys and i have settled at #2.

Do i need links to the internal page or not? i have never been keen on this as internal pages are often changed or deleted in the future and my homepage links have always worked for me.
The site is wordpress based so my seo tactics work well.

Any comments are most appreciated and your advice as to what to do next.

I rely on this main site for my income and cannot risk getting banned.
Its taken me a long time to decide to turn blackhat and now that the domain is 3 years old nearly, i need to know what sort of linits i can push.

thanks guys

Get some really high quality backlinks, ping them and build backlinks to them.

Also add a link in your footer to your homepage with anchor text and make it do-follow.
Wait and watch.

bk071 said:

Get some really high quality backlinks, ping them and build backlinks to them.



I have SB and can obtain lists but do the links to my links need to be from relevant sites or just relevant anchor text etc?
My links are from high PR but can i just fire any old links to these?
I take it this doesnt matter too much?

Also add a link in your footer to your homepage with anchor text and make it do-follow.
Wait and watch.

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Thanks for that mate. I have the quality links coming in on dripfeed as didnt dare do anything else. They have been pinged but my next issue is building links to them links. Please can you advise?

Please can you explain the footer thing a little more?
Do you mean a link on my sites internal pages with anchor text to my main page?
Would deep internal linking not do more as i thought on page is better than a footer?
What if make a list of anchors on each page pointing to every other page and homepage?

Say you have a PR4 link at site A. Now just get/buy some autoapprove list and blast the hell out of site A. No matter if the list is relevant to your blog or not 'cause the blogs are auto approve so the links will show up as soon as they are posted.

And for the internal linking, I can't spoon feed Read more about it on the forums and Google is your best friend.

Cheers.

I just found this forum but been doing this for a long time. The best advice I can give you is to get more links. And don't just blast xrumer or other links, mix in some high quality stuff too. Diversity is key.

I would scrape all of your competitor's spammy backlinks. Then make sure I have a backlink to every single backlink he has on my site. Then backlink those backlinks to all my web 2.0 properties in my link wheel.

It shouldn't take too much time if he only has 200 backlinks.

thk702 said:

I would scrape all of your competitor's spammy backlinks. Then make sure I have a backlink to every single backlink he has on my site. Then backlink those backlinks to all my web 2.0 properties in my link wheel.

It shouldn't take too much time if he only has 200 backlinks.

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Yes thought about this as its usually the norm thing to do but he has outsourced his links too and they are private owned blogs or sales pages etc which are not postable. I can tell by the style, they are either owned or accessed by the link submitter or the site owners have surfed the web and linked back to them as trackbacks or something

make some xrumer blast and index the links with backlink energizer.

thk702 said:

I would scrape all of your competitor's spammy backlinks. Then make sure I have a backlink to every single backlink he has on my site. Then backlink those backlinks to all my web 2.0 properties in my link wheel.

It shouldn't take too much time if he only has 200 backlinks.

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Agreed. If he only has 200 backlinks then see if you can't get backlinks from the same site, should def put you over the edge.

If you are only doing links to your root domain, definitely start switching it up and get direct links to your internal pages. Link juice travels upward.

wowhaxor said:

Agreed. If he only has 200 backlinks then see if you can't get backlinks from the same site, should def put you over the edge.

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Thanks, but as my post #7 I/nobody can post on these sites as they are closed and private. probably just been setup purely for a few spam links and run as a network of blogs.

Surely if i just get better authority links anyway from other sites, this will push me above him. Never tried xrumer as a few mentioned but will look into it.

thansk all so far

xrumer looks good but v pricey for me at the minute.
Might look into scrapeboard as another alternative

already have scrapebox and hope i can do most of my stuff with this

martin82scott said:

xrumer looks good but v pricey for me at the minute.
Might look into scrapeboard as another alternative

already have scrapebox and hope i can do most of my stuff with this

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Go to fiverr. They sell 5000 profile xrumer blasts for $5. You can blasts your web 2.0 properties if you're worried about being sandboxed. I've blasted on my main site and have had no issues.

thk702 said:

Go to fiverr. They sell 5000 profile xrumer blasts for $5. You can blasts your web 2.0 properties if you're worried about being sandboxed. I've blasted on my main site and have had no issues.

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never seen this fiverr site before - looks sweet

So many selling the service though so will have a look on here first and if not ill buy on fiverr

wicked tip mate - thanks

Am i right in saying that i need an xrumer blast provider to blast links to all my profile backlinks etc?
would i give them the list i have of my submitted links and get them all blasted evenly?
I have a 400ish list of my recent high PR blasts.
Will these then be distributed evenly across my list or do i need to find the highest of my high pr links and concentrate on just getting blasts to these?

thanks again all. I think this could get me #1!

Well if all his backlinks are mainly from high quality sites, like he owns them or whatever, just look at what backlinks them websites have, and then what backlinks they have. Kinda confusing but yeah...

Also, how much you willing to spend? Could just buy like 10 super expensive high quality links.

martin82scott said:

Am i right in saying that i need an xrumer blast provider to blast links to all my profile backlinks etc?
would i give them the list i have of my submitted links and get them all blasted evenly?
I have a 400ish list of my recent high PR blasts.
Will these then be distributed evenly across my list or do i need to find the highest of my high pr links and concentrate on just getting blasts to these?

thanks again all. I think this could get me #1!

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Hold off on the blast until you understand these tools a little bit better. Xrumer creates forum profiles. So the 400 you created...Xrumer for $5 creates 5000 in a day. I think they sell like 700 high PR forum backlinks for $5.

Having forum profile backlinks to other forum profile backlinks won't give you the juice you are looking for. Give the backlinks to web 2.0 properties or your main site.

thk702 said:

Hold off on the blast until you understand these tools a little bit better. Xrumer creates forum profiles. So the 400 you created...Xrumer for $5 creates 5000 in a day. I think they sell like 700 high PR forum backlinks for $5.

Having forum profile backlinks to other forum profile backlinks won't give you the juice you are looking for. Give the backlinks to web 2.0 properties or your main site.

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Thanks for this mate.

Yes i will try to understand the tools better first, I have only personally used scrapebox and had forum profiles built for me so far.
I understand that building profiles to link to profiles will not work but im unsure which route to take now.
I have my list of 400 backlinks (these were from blackminds angela's and pauls) which have proven a massive boost over two orders.
where should i be building links to these please?

Ill stop all the questions after this as ill have all i need for now and hope others can benefit from the thread too.
Any other questions, ill do my best to find them myself before asking.

Im going to search and read up on web 2.0 properties as its a little vauge to me. Im assuming main sites and articles instead of forum profiles and tweets etc

I cant help it - its not my fault that you guys provide the best info!

thanks again all

try rewriting your front page (main page) with just a few hundred words. i know it sounds tacky but give it a try it worked for me. i had THOUSANDS more links then my competition who had ZERO (go figure) and one day i just decided what the heck and wrote out a totally crappy post hit the post it button searched for my site and bang i was number one 2 minutes later. go figure. i used three paragraphs and that did the job. it seems to me the less content the most focused it is... i know lots of people say get high pr links but that didnt do sh!t for me.