I will quit IM. And will be coder one day. Please help me.

WillBeCoder

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Hi guys,

I do IM for 5 years but still living under my mom's basement. Because I never made enough money. Sometimes because of my depression sometimes because of my laziness and sometimes I am very unlucky. Sometimes I made $5000 a month, sometimes I made $0 for "months"... I live in a 3rd world country.

I am sick of this irregular business called IM, because my earnings were never stable and I hated it, maybe you will say that "IM is not for you then, quit it you idiot!". Okay, no problem. I will quit it already. I don't like marketing or SEO or "LUCK". Now I need a more stable business. That way my life will not be tied to Google algorithms or luck stress. That is why I will be coder and programmer one day and will finally get a stable job. I can work remotely for companies for salaries, or maybe I can even develop some tools on the future and sell it on the market. I am very interested in this coding thing. But don't know where to start. This thread is the first day of my programming learning journey.

Please help me. My main goal is to get a remote coding business for a salary to the companies. And please list some important things for me to learn in this thread. I will work on it for 12-16 hours per day. And I will create a learning journey thread on this best SEO forum. Thank you.
 
Following...I have nothing to say...But don't you have a skill you can project?
 
Damn, that's the name of the game my boy. It's either for you or not for you. Entrepreneurship and IM isn't for everyone, some persons are better off working jobs.
 
I've been doing IM for almost 10 years and the best thing to stabilize your income is diversity. If you're doing SEO then you can also try paid traffic, Youtube, or whatever. Having different revenue sources is key in this business.

Having said that i also face some challenges from time to time. When something pops i go all in and forget about everything else. I really need to work on that.
 
Damn, that's the name of the game my boy. It's either for you or not for you. Entrepreneurship and IM isn't for everyone, some persons are better off working jobs.
Even when I make $3-5k per month, I was always afraid I am gonna lose those earnings one day when I do IM. And my business never went stable.
 
That way my life will not be tied to Google algorithms or luck stress. That is why I will be coder and programmer one day and will finally get a stable job. I can work remotely for companies
You got it all wrong, buddy, sorry to say. The companies or people for whom you would be coding, all depend on Google (and various other platform's algorithms), etc algorithms for the marketing (and hence success) of their products (be it apps or whatever). So, if they get screwed due to the algorithms, you too will anyways get screwed too by getting less or no coding projects.
 
You got it all wrong, buddy, sorry to say. The companies or people for whom you would be coding, all depend on Google (and various other platform's algorithms), etc algorithms for the marketing (and hence success) of their products (be it apps or whatever. So, if they get screwed due to the algorithms, you too will anyways get screwed too.
But at least I will know a very valuable skill and job, that way I can switch to another rich company. But my little websites are always fucked by Google.
 
I will assume that you are serious and that this not a troll post.

It's an excellent decision that you want to learn programming.

1 or 2 years from now, you will look back and be amazed at the transformation and how much more power you have as a person and your ability to solve problems and create tools.

It really is like literacy in the 1500s. If you can code, you will have more power than your competition that can not.

And don't be quick to discard IM because your income isn't consistent now.

Nothing is consistent man, not even life. Everything dies and fails, the trend of all things in the universe is towards entropy and chaos or destruction.

I think if, after you learn to code, you come back to IM- you will be able to look at things with a new set of eyes and come up with ideas and systems that you can not even think of right now.

Now, as to how to start:

My main goal is to get a remote coding business for a salary to the companies.

I am sorry to say that while this is possible after you learn to code, it's probably a poor motivator for actually learning. Because programming is a skill that one best learns by doing. And the best way to do it is to start building something that you want or are genuinely interested in. If all you train for or study from day 1 is the exercises and perfectly presented things in courses (which is not how it goes in the real world), you will not be very good. You must struggle, troubleshoot and learn things while building something that you really want to be live or completed. That is hands down the best way to learn. By doing it!

So, proceed like this:

  1. Think of a project in your mind. Preferably something small enough to be realistic as your first project, but also involving skills that are of interest to 'big companies' (to work for whom is your eventual goal.) Perhaps a mobile app?
  2. Select the best language to build your project and then learn it's basics. Python is the most popular for most things now, but Kotlyn and Swift are in demand for mobile app development.
    By basics, I mean things that are common to most programming languages. Data types, variables, flow control (if/else), for and while loops.
    All of this can be learned from YouTube and free resources such as Freecodecamp or any course for the selected language on Udemy. For Python I recommend Zed Shaw's course and also Al Sweigart. If you learn better by live tutorship (from a real teacher on Skype call), you can find this on codementor and also Fiverr these days.
  3. After you learn the basics, do some simple exercises, often included in the course. If you can get yourself to the point of being able to do CRUD (Create, Read, Update, Delete) operations with databases or spreadsheets, congratulations!
  4. Then, you may need to learn a library or framework. A library is just a ready-made suite of tools you can use in programming to code faster and easier. Example: If you want to create a bot that registers 1000s or millions of accounts automatically on some site, you can do that easily with Python + Selenium. Here's a video overview of 40 popular Python libraries in just 20 minutes:
  5. At this point you are ready for the first few projects in your journey. Building these things will teach you more by doing than any course or video ever can. Write down each step of the program in plain English in as much detail as possible before you start. This is also known as pseudocode.
  6. Learn some supplementary skills that can help you as a developer: Linux, Bash Scripting, SQL and Database skills are almost universally useful across programming disciplines.
  7. Now, you can start to think of working for big companies if you still want to. But believe me, you will be a changed person by now if you really pay attention along your journey. You will be able to think of and do things that right now, are beyond your ability to even imagine.
  8. Getting a job at a big company requires you to learn how to ace interviews. These include questions about logic, problem solving and code whiteboarding. There are coaching programs that teach you just how to do well in coding job interviews. Techinterviewpro.com is one by the famous Youtuber 'TechLead'. You will also need some certifications. Watch this video about certifications.

If you do all of this, you will basically be unstoppable.

But in the beginning, coding is hard. There is no way around it. Only persistence and genuine desire to see your project built can get you past the 'desert of despair' in the beginning. Accept it and keep learning by doing until you finally 'get it.'

coding_is_hard_confidence_competence.png

Another good picture about how to put together an MVP or minimum viable product (Don't be too perfectionist.):


tinytracker_mvp.jpeg
 
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In my opinion and actual reality, this is the best ever time NOT to quit internet marketing. Reason : Seems like almost everyone is quitting internet marketing due to Google and various other algorithms. And this is actually where one's real skills and abilities come into test. If one runs away , then one will keep running away only. Yes, no doubt Google, etc algorithms are now beefed up more and more and this process will go on. However, internet marketing will also be happening NO MATTER WHAT. The only difference is it is now an arena for the survival of the fittest. Those who are into it and are running away to do something else, will again face a situation of the survival of the fittest, in whatever they do next and once again, they will quit that and they run away to do something else and they will only keep running away, because EVERYTHING now is about ONLY the survival of the fittest. I am not discouraging anyone, I am mentioning the reality of how things are as of today and from now into the future.
 
In my opinion and actual reality, this is the best ever time NOT to quit internet marketing. Reason : Seems like almost everyone is quitting internet marketing due to Google and various other algorithms. And this is actually where one's real skills and abilities come into test. If one runs away , then one will keep running away only. Yes, no doubt Google, etc algorithms are now beefed up more and more and this process will go on. However, internet marketing will also be happening NO MATTER WHAT. The only difference is it is now an arena for the survival of the fittest. Those who are into it and are running away to do something else, will again face a situation of the survival of the fittest, in whatever they do next and once again, they will quit that and they run away to do something else and they will only keep running away, because EVERYTHING now is about ONLY the survival of the fittest.
I think you are right, but I can not think of any skill more useful to an IM'er than programming. It has surely made a huge impact for me in my own case.

At the end of the day, everything is just an arms race. Google and cloudflare will keep tweaking their algos to fuck us and limit our scalability, while botters and SEOs will look for new ways to manipulate and beat the system.

If one doesn't know how to code they will just make companies like Multilogin and the backlink sellers here richer, lol.
 
I will assume that you are serious and that this not a troll post.

It's an excellent decision that you want to learn programming.

1 or 2 years from now, you will look back and be amazed at the transformation and how much more power you have as a person and your ability to solve problems and create tools.

It really is like literacy in the 1500s. If you can code, you will have more power than your competition that can not.

And don't be quick to discard IM because your income isn't consistent now.

Nothing is consistent man, not even life. Everything dies and fails, the trend of all things in the universe is towards entropy and chaos or destruction.

I think if, after you learn to code, you come back to IM- you will be able to look at things with a new set of eyes and come up with ideas and systems that you can not even think of right now.

Now, as to how to start:



I am sorry to say that while this is possible after you learn to code, it's probably a poor motivator for actually learning. Because programming is a skill that one best learns by doing. And the best way to do it is to start building something that you want or are genuinely interested in. If all you train for or study from day 1 is the exercises and perfectly presented things in courses (which is not how it goes in the real world), you will not be very good. You must struggle, troubleshoot and learn things while building something that you really want to be live or completed. That is hands down the best way to learn. By doing it!

So, proceed like this:

  1. Think of a project in your mind. Preferably something small enough to be realistic as your first project, but also involving skills that are of interest to 'big companies' (to work for whom is your eventual goal.) Perhaps a mobile app?
  2. Select the best language to build your project and then learn it's basics. Python is the most popular for most things now, but Kotlyn and Swift are in demand for mobile app development.
    By basics, I mean things that are common to most programming languages. Data types, variables, flow control (if/else), for and while loops.
    All of this can be learned from YouTube and free resources such as Freecodecamp or any course for the selected language on Udemy. For Python I recommend Zed Shaw's course and also Al Sweigart. If you learn better by live tutorship (from a real teacher on Skype call), you can find this on codementor and also Fiverr these days.
  3. After you learn the basics, do some simple exercises, often included in the course. If you can get yourself to the point of being able to do CRUD (Create, Read, Update, Delete) operations with databases or spreadsheets, congratulations!
  4. Then, you may need to learn a library or framework. A library is just a ready-made suite of tools you can use in programming to code faster and easier. Example: If you want to create a bot that registers 1000s or millions of accounts automatically on some site, you can do that easily with Python + Selenium. Here's a video overview of 40 popular Python libraries in just 20 minutes:
  5. At this point you are ready for the first few projects in your journey. Building these things will teach you more by doing than any course or video ever can. Write down each step of the program in plain English in as much detail as possible before you start. This is also known as pseudocode.
  6. Learn some supplementary skills that can help you as a developer: Linux, Bash Scripting, SQL and Database skills are almost universally useful across programming disciplines.
  7. Now, you can start to think of working for big companies if you still want to. But believe me, you will be a changed person by now if you really pay attention along your journey. You will be able to think of and do things that right now, are beyond your ability to even imagine.
  8. Getting a job at a big company requires you to learn how to ace interviews. These include questions about logic, problem solving and code whiteboarding. There are coaching programs that teach you just how to do well in coding job interviews. Techinterviewpro.com is one by the famous Youtuber 'TechLead'. You will also need some certifications. Watch this video about certifications.

If you do all of this, you will basically be unstoppable.

But in the beginning, coding is hard. There is no way around it. Only persistence and genuine desire to see your project built can get you past the 'desert of despair' in the beginning. Accept it and keep learning by doing until you finally 'get it.'

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Another good picture about how to put together an MVP or minimum viable product (Don't be too perfectionist.):


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I really liked this post a lot, was so insightful even for me as a new computer programmer and an internet marketer
 
what I will suggest to you is to start from a site called The Odin Project and use Youtube or Udemy courses to get more information or read Documentation. start from HTML, CSS, JavaScript. Etc
 
what I will suggest to you is to start from a site called The Odin Project and use Youtube or Udemy courses to get more information or read Documentation. start from HTML, CSS, JavaScript. Etc
Interesting site. There are a lot of legitimate and good web developers out there....but maybe I am too old and ancient. I can't really respect it enough or recommend to aspire to it as a specialty. Sure the world needs them, but it's not nearly as badass as backend ops ;) Maybe it's a better field for girls and noobs. Girls because they are more aesthetics minded.

But yeah it's more suited to 9 to 5 job to sit and console log javascript for some corporation or ecommerce site all day. Would numb my mind.
 
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