I will not be vaccinated!

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You can't keep everything closed indefinitely or can't keep reintroducing restrictions, when newer and newer waves hit and bring the economy to a halt periodically. Accept it or not, lack of a better solution, presently to our best knowledge vaccination is the only way out.
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You are really naive in thinking so.Its a system change into a world wide police state.Your brain not able to get it ?
You think you will get your rights back ?For how long ?A few months ?
Vaccinated people are already being restricted on flights because of health threats in the air.Maybe update yourself.
You can't keep everything closed indefinetely ?ARE YOU SURE?
You know what industry 4.0 is and what a deflationary system means ?
Why you think elite running away from western countries ?
Because they are so dumb ?
 
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Crazycam727 said:
Not at all.

All I'm saying is that if you look for information on FB, YT, or any major news networks, you will find them all telling the same narrative.
Some of what they say makes sense, and I agree with.

But, you do have to question, why are doctors and virologists being shutdown and having their videos deleted, when they pose an alternative viewpoint? Wouldn't it just be easier to leave their videos on the platform? Afterall, freedom of speech is a thing.

I'd also like to make clear, the videos I am refferring to are available on bitchute etc, and the scientists don't say "Covid doesn't exist" , they aren't stupid.

They just present the same statistics and give their opinion on what the situation is.

The fact that the platforms ban them, is because they are trying to only tell one side of the story.

Which means, the public can only follow the mainstream media, and not make fully informed decisions.
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Like I said no reputable virologist is getting banned from any platform.
And since the platforms are privately owned it has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

and no, companies are trying to stop dangerous information from spreading and creating misinformation, as you can see, many here suffer from that already. Anti-vaxxers and such have long been a problem.
Vaccination principles are established fact, which some folks try to contest… no reputable doctor, virologist, or even veterinarian would dispute that… so it comes to this vaccine, of which there are 2 variants, and many folks spread misinformation about. You can see it in this thread.
Show me 1 reputable virologist who has been silenced please. Just 1.
Show me 1 and if reputable, I’ll listen to the rest of your information with a much broader mind.
Just 1.
 
The sad part of this thread is that the WHO fanboys don't think for themselves, they just swallow all the "SCIENCE" being propagandized as if it's some sort of inviolable truth that would brand you a heretic:

1. Masks are the only way to save lives
2. We won't get out of the pandemic without EVERYONE vaccinated
3. The ends justify the means, even if it means breaking the world economy
4. Only the WHO knows what's best for you
5. Don't believe any conspiracy theories because they are all false, made up by lunatics
6. Panic. A lot. Please take EVERY single precaution you can think of, no matter how ludicrous, to avoid murdering grandmas. You Hitler.
7. Hold no one (in our side) responsible for their faults and crimes in killing people. Doctors, politicians, marketers and their cronies are all blameless for the disastrous health crisis we are facing.
8. It's all for your own good, because you can't reason and find a better solution.
9. Remember, as Dr. Fraud said, we are science: Don't argue.
 
patriotnews said:
Like I said no reputable virologist is getting banned from any platform.
And since the platforms are privately owned it has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

and no, companies are trying to stop dangerous information from spreading and creating misinformation, as you can see, many here suffer from that already. Anti-vaxxers and such have long been a problem.
Vaccination principles are established fact, which some folks try to contest… no reputable doctor, virologist, or even veterinarian would dispute that… so it comes to this vaccine, of which there are 2 variants, and many folks spread misinformation about. You can see it in this thread.
Show me 1 reputable virologist who has been silenced please. Just 1.
Show me 1 and if reputable, I’ll listen to the rest of your information with a much broader mind.
Just 1.
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How about the main scientist who created the Pfizer vaccine ?
Or the creator of PCR test telling everyone PCR is unable to detect Covid 19 as it was never concepted for it......but you know.........

Anyways i consider dicussing further a waste of my limited time..........ignorant people will have soon a big awakening and not understand the world anymore.
Russia already started selling the USD.
It's only funny your nickname states a patriot and tells that nobody is being sileced.I guess that is why Trump builds his own platform.....

Keep with your senteced criminal Fauci and Gates who knows about medicine best as a non medicine guy LOL

Bye
 
AU369 said:
How about the main scientist who created the Pfizer vaccine ?
Or the creator of PCR test telling everyone PCR is unable to detect Covid 19 as it was never concepted for it......but you know.........

Anyways i consider dicussing further a waste of my limited time..........ignorat people will have soon a big awakening and not understand the world anymore.
Russia already started selling the USD.
It's only funny your nickname states a patriot and tells that nobody is being sileced.I guess that is why Trump builds its own platform.....

Keep with your senteced criminal Fauci and Gates who knows about medicine best as a non medicine guy LOL

Bye
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Trump indeed was banned from all social medias, freedom of speech is in some way a big lie. It fits a certain narrative, Alex Jones was censored too so it seems crazy people are being censored, I am not sure it's bad as it influences people to follow extremism.
 
Alex_1729 said:
I haven't read the entire debate, but I did read this last comment, and this sentence struck me. Because, saying that, is like saying "If your immune system is strong enough to beat polio, then you don't have to get vaccinated as a kid against polio." Is that a valid assumption? Of course not. Not to mention the amount of people you'll be endangering by spreading it around.


Also this... why would you say this? This intrigues me; What possible connection is there between you boasting yourself publicly, and the validity of your arguments? I'm a firm believe that humility is what drives you towards useful knowledge, not vanity or pride.

I don't disbelieve you. But, let me ask you something, are you a doctor? Do you have a degree or any kind of formal education in healthcare, genetics, virology or immunology? Do you talk with specialists and doctors about this? If you said, "I talked with my buddies, and they are specialists (or students) healthcare and know what they're talking about", then it would make some sense as you were influenced. You wouldn't be right, but it would make sense why you'd believe certain things. But what you say here is "I researched a lot, therefore I'm right because I put a lot of effort and thought into this". That's an invalid argument, beacuse it doesn't support anything, you still need evidence on the genetic level. I you're saying "I researched a lot, therefore I have a lot of authority and you should believe me" then it's also invalid, because anyone could be wrong. Finally, I think what you're saying is this "I have too high of a pride and too little intelligence to admit I may be wrong, therefore I am absolutely 100% right, and will not budge". Well, fine. What's the point in beleving in absolute truth? You'll never learn anything or improve your thinking. It's how a fundamentalist religious person thinks. I mean, what do you say to a mind like that?
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1) Comparing Covid-19 to other, for example, Plague, is demologism. Because Covid-19 is an influenza virus. It's a new mutation of the previous flu, but from the same family. That's why it's called Covid-19. This family of viruses has always existed, it's nothing new, and people have been able to beat it with their own immune systems until now. Comparing Covid-19 with another virus is like comparing it with the HIV virus. Covid-19 is a new version of the flu we are used to. You cannot put the HIV virus and Covid viruses in the same place, the structures of the two are different. So every virus is bound to a class. You cannot attribute the class of the Covid-19 virus to the polio virus or any other virus. So your comments for viruses should take into account which class that virus belongs to.

2) I praise myself. Yeah. Because I say I've researched and I'm saying I've worked hard and I'm not a sheep, even if my comments are wrong. I say this because most people just repeat what they hear in the media. I say this because most people think that people who criticize don't read anything and are ignorant of scientific articles. This is not the time to be humble, because the mainstream media, WHO and social media authority are not humble.

3) You don't have to be working for an authorized institution to put the pieces together and suspect some contradiction. If you say we should believe only doctors and scientists, you should teleport to the Middle Ages. Because there you will find the dictators you want. (If you object, you will be tried at the Inquisition.) I am not claiming accuracy, I am saying that there is no real impartiality and evidence to dispel my doubts. At least I doubt, and to doubt is the rule of science. Even if your views were correct, you believed without question and did not doubt. I'm sure you miss the medieval dictatorship.
 
patriotnews said:
Like I said no reputable virologist is getting banned from any platform.
And since the platforms are privately owned it has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

and no, companies are trying to stop dangerous information from spreading and creating misinformation, as you can see, many here suffer from that already. Anti-vaxxers and such have long been a problem.
Vaccination principles are established fact, which some folks try to contest… no reputable doctor, virologist, or even veterinarian would dispute that… so it comes to this vaccine, of which there are 2 variants, and many folks spread misinformation about. You can see it in this thread.
Show me 1 reputable virologist who has been silenced please. Just 1.
Show me 1 and if reputable, I’ll listen to the rest of your information with a much broader mind.
Just 1.
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Will the former vice president and chief scientific officer of Pfizer, be adequate for you?

https://banthis.tv/watch?id=609238dcf609210fc6b0c516
 
Willyfish said:
Trump indeed was banned from all social medias, freedom of speech is in some way a big lie. It fits a certain narrative, Alex Jones was censored too so it seems crazy people are being censored, I am not sure it's bad as it influences people to follow extremism.
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Based on history it fits only to hide lies.
US was a great country where many lies has been exposed.Today no more possible.Today you can only have free speech in russia if its a non domestic topic
 
Willyfish said:
Trump indeed was banned from all social medias, freedom of speech is in some way a big lie. It fits a certain narrative, Alex Jones was censored too so it seems crazy people are being censored, I am not sure it's bad as it influences people to follow extremism.
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Yes, inviting an insurrection against your own country, private companies can choose to no longer be associated with you.
Jones: who in court admitted he is acting on his show, and it was all a farce? Yeah… gee… what a luminary loss.
Crazycam727 said:
Will the former vice president and chief scientific officer of Pfizer, be adequate for you?

https://banthis.tv/watch?id=609238dcf609210fc6b0c516
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Well, he would have qualified, had he done the scientifically reputable thing of showing his research or ANY research to back up his claim… but he didn’t. He offered no proof, no studies, nothing submitted for peer review, just made a claim, nothing more…
Also, he wasn’t chief science officer of Pfizer, he was CSO of Allergy division, specifically studying therapeutics.
His last position in 2011 was head of allergy and respiratory research, never worked in vaccines or virology; his degrees are in pharmacology and biochemistry, not virology.
So not a virologist, and lost his reputation.
 
patriotnews said:
Yes, inviting an insurrection against your own country, private companies can choose to no longer be associated with you.
Jones: who in court admitted he is acting on his show, and it was all a farce? Yeah… gee… what a luminary loss.
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It's my point, some people are very dangerous and have the power to make people believe crazy things, I am not for censorship but in some cases... it's the best thing to do if it's for the public good, the problem with the internet is that people follow the narrative they want and will find someone to affirm this narrative no matter the subject.
 
AU369 said:
How about the main scientist who created the Pfizer vaccine ?
Or the creator of PCR test telling everyone PCR is unable to detect Covid 19 as it was never concepted for it......but you know.........
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You talking Yeadon? He was let go by Pfizer in 2011.
The creator of the PCR test died in 2019, that quote is often misapplied to COVID, when he was actually talking about HIV/AIDS.
 
HoNeYBiRD said:
Wake up. The speculation stage is over. Nothing is getting thrown out in court.

This system is in place, where i live for ~2 months now. It's country-specific for now, there are a few countries already with similar rules. On top of this there will be a unified vaccination certificate in the EU very soon, what you need to use, if you want to travel (by plane) within the EU. If you don't have the document, you either need to quarantine/do a test or you won't be allowed to enter.
Inb4 'b-but mah human rights', it's not a new thing either. If you want to enter certain tropical countries, you need to take various vaccines before they let you in. This practice becomes more apparent now with this virus, because every country is affected.

True, you can't force anyone to take the vaccine, at least not in democracies, but they can encourage people to do so in creative ways.

It's also true, that people cannot be denied access to essential services, but which one of the services i mentioned above are essential? It's not essential to go to bars, concerts, gyms, sports events or festivals.

It's a new situation. Apparently the things that violate human rights are getting re-interpreted as we speak and if something seemingly violates human rights, but solves a greater good, probably it's not violating human rights after all. On the personal level maybe, but not when it comes to the society as a whole.

You can't keep everything closed indefinitely or can't keep reintroducing restrictions, when newer and newer waves hit and bring the economy to a halt periodically. Accept it or not, lack of a better solution, presently to our best knowledge vaccination is the only way out.
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So you agree to bend over to the system as long as the system says it's for the "greater good", whatever stupidity they may invent, ok, got it. Not everyone wants to bend over to what a puppet says. Don't be a victim of the system, you're a blackhatter. So many blackhatters got played by the whole hoax, guys, wake the f up, you'll be having a breathing air permit in no time if we continue with this BS. We should protest by the tens of millions, hundreds.
 
patriotnews said:
Yes, inviting an insurrection against your own country, private companies can choose to no longer be associated with you.
Jones: who in court admitted he is acting on his show, and it was all a farce? Yeah… gee… what a luminary loss.

Well, he would have qualified, had he done the scientifically reputable thing of showing his research or ANY research to back up his claim… but he didn’t. He offered no proof, no studies, nothing submitted for peer review, just made a claim, nothing more…
Also, he wasn’t chief science officer of Pfizer, he was CSO of Allergy division, specifically studying therapeutics.
His last position in 2011 was head of allergy and respiratory research, never worked in vaccines or virology; his degrees are in pharmacology and biochemistry, not virology.
So not a virologist, and lost his reputation.
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This is the problem.

You won’t even consider an alternative viewpoint to what the media is feeding you.

I gave you someone that had “boots on the ground” and has had decades of experience in the medical field, yet you refuse to even watch the whole video.

At this point we won’t change each other’s minds, and that’s okay. I won’t impose anything on you, as long as you don’t impose any shit on me for my view on the situation.

I think we should stop our discussion here , before things get toxic - as often is the case with these things. :)
 
Willyfish said:
It's my point, some people are very dangerous and have the power to make people believe crazy things, I am not for censorship but in some cases... it's the best thing to do if it's for the public good, the problem with the internet is that people follow the narrative they want and will find someone to affirm this narrative no matter the subject.
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Oh yeah… you can see it everywhere
Crazycam727 said:
This is the problem.

You won’t even consider an alternative viewpoint to what the media is feeding you.

I gave you someone that had “boots on the ground” and has had decades of experience in the medical field, yet you refuse to even watch the whole video.

At this point we won’t change each other’s minds, and that’s okay. I won’t impose anything on you, as long as you don’t impose any shit on me for my view on the situation.

I think we should stop our discussion here , before things get toxic - as often is the case with these things. :)
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So no virologists?
I asked for a reputable virologist, you provided a guy who once had good bona fides in his field, which wasn’t virologist or vaccines, who made a claim with 0 backing…
I’m here open minded, just asking for 1 reputable virologist who has been banned… got any?
Last time I asked, the person shared a veterinarian… it’s like people don’t understand medical field has specialization.
 
Never thought there'd be a moment when there are more people injecting themselves in a year with experimental drugs than there are IV heroin (not experimental, safe drug) users worldwide, wow big pharma took it to the next lvl $$$$$$$$

Now they want to inject the experimental jab in children, these demons arent playing
 


There are tons of video clips showing people how they got magnetic (Magnetofection)
There were offical reports showing that these kind of medicine (magnetofection) is ilegal and only for testing purpose and not allowed on humans.They also describe the use for it however every report and interview gets quickly deleted.They basicly are mainly in telegram saved.You can't find them on the internet.

Based on my experience magnetofection has one more purpose and that is being more influenceable by 5g .
Your human body frequence is being changed.If that is still not concerning to you than there is no hope.
 
HoNeYBiRD said:
Wake up. The speculation stage is over. Nothing is getting thrown out in court.

This system is in place, where i live for ~2 months now. It's country-specific for now, there are a few countries already with similar rules. On top of this there will be a unified vaccination certificate in the EU very soon, what you need to use, if you want to travel (by plane) within the EU. If you don't have the document, you either need to quarantine/do a test or you won't be allowed to enter.
Inb4 'b-but mah human rights', it's not a new thing either. If you want to enter certain tropical countries, you need to take various vaccines before they let you in. This practice becomes more apparent now with this virus, because every country is affected.

True, you can't force anyone to take the vaccine, at least not in democracies, but they can encourage people to do so in creative ways.

It's also true, that people cannot be denied access to essential services, but which one of the services i mentioned above are essential? It's not essential to go to bars, concerts, gyms, sports events or festivals.

It's a new situation. Apparently the things that violate human rights are getting re-interpreted as we speak and if something seemingly violates human rights, but solves a greater good, probably it's not violating human rights after all. On the personal level maybe, but not when it comes to the society as a whole.

You can't keep everything closed indefinitely or can't keep reintroducing restrictions, when newer and newer waves hit and bring the economy to a halt periodically. Accept it or not, lack of a better solution, presently to our best knowledge vaccination is the only way out.
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It's clear that you don't know what you're talking about so I'm not going to bother arguing with you. In addition to the fact that you're talking to me like a dickhead, you obviously don't understand the situation. You can spin it any way you want to. Violations of human rights for the greater good? What a joke.
 
AU369 said:


There are tons of video clips showing people how they got magnetic (Magnetofection)
There were offical reports showing that these kind of medicine (magnetofection) is ilegal and only for testing purpose and not allowed on humans.They also describe the use for it however every report and interview gets quickly deleted.They basicly are mainly in telegram saved.You can't find them on the internet.

Based on my experience magnetofection has one more purpose and that is being more influenceable by 5g .
Your human body frequence is being changed.If that is still not concerning to you than there is no hope.
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Jesus.
 
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