I think my conversion rate is gonna be WAY too HIGH...a crazy idea, does it work?

I'll make this fast... I have a lander set up with a content locker and 3 offer links. Each link redirects to an iframed email submit. I assume my CR is gonna be through the roof, nowhere near the 3-5% safe zone.


I have thought of these methods to lower my CR:


Just buy junk traffic. The thing is, where do I send it? I have a WH blog with CPA-R set up that redirects to my content locked page. Should I send the traffic to the CPA-R link? Or do I send it directly to my locked page? If I do that, the traffic might not even click the links on my locker, which means no clicks to lower CR. If I send the traffic directly to my iframed offers, I'll have to split it up into 3, correct?

OR

Make 3 landers, 1 for each offer, and send junk traffic to them. The offers I'm working with don't have banners.


Which method do you think works best? If none, feel free to share your suggestion. The whole point is just to keep CR low and safe.

3-5% is a safe conversion rate? I think you're confused with the adsense ctr. If your offers are converting and the leads are converting for the advertiser, you're safe.

Other than that I would suggest spreading your leads out across a lot of networks.

facebookdude said:

3-5% is a safe conversion rate? I think you're confused with the adsense ctr. If your offers are converting and the leads are converting for the advertiser, you're safe.

Other than that I would suggest spreading your leads out across a lot of networks.

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Nevermind the 3-5%...I guess I picked that up when I was doing a search and didn't notice the threads were in the AdSense section.

The thing is, my offers will have zero backend conversions. They'll never see the second page of the offer. If my CR is high with zero backend conversions, it's gonna raise eyebrows. I'll spread my leads across multiple networks and offers, but they're all still gonna have 100% CR (or a suspiciously high rate). That's why I need some form of traffic to bring the rate down, and I was looking to see which method works best.

Thanks for the share man!

LoveStain said:

I'll make this fast... I have a lander set up with a content locker and 3 offer links. Each link redirects to an iframed email submit. I assume my CR is gonna be through the roof, nowhere near the 3-5% safe zone.


I have thought of these methods to lower my CR:


Just buy junk traffic. The thing is, where do I send it? I have a WH blog with CPA-R set up that redirects to my content locked page. Should I send the traffic to the CPA-R link? Or do I send it directly to my locked page? If I do that, the traffic might not even click the links on my locker, which means no clicks to lower CR. If I send the traffic directly to my iframed offers, I'll have to split it up into 3, correct?

OR

Make 3 landers, 1 for each offer, and send junk traffic to them. The offers I'm working with don't have banners.


Which method do you think works best? If none, feel free to share your suggestion. The whole point is just to keep CR low and safe.

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You really think they cannot see what you do? That's easy to catch. Not going past page 2 = poor traffic quality and sending junk traffic wont save you. It wont matter what your epc or % is.

What it comes down to is if the offers convert in the backend and make the Advertiser money. People have it in their head that if they send tons of junk traffic they will be safe. Its actually the opposite. Advertisers and networks hate junk traffic. Another piece of advise is make sure they get past page 2/3. Advertisers do not make money 99% of the time if people do not fill out the offers past page 2 or 3. This is normally what a network means when they say your traffic quality is poor. All it means most of the time is that nobody is filling out offers past page 2/3 and if this is happening Advertisers in general lose money. That's why people get removed so often.

couldn't he theoretically also iframe the second page so that a smaller percentage also fills out the second form? or is it a bad idea to iframe the second page coz 2nd page submits costs the user money?

i wanna just get clarity: if i fill in the first page email submit and then the second page sign up page, do i as a sign up member have to pay something after signing up (second page) or what will happen with those information?

Jaykub said:

couldn't he theoretically also iframe the second page so that a smaller percentage also fills out the second form? or is it a bad idea to iframe the second page coz 2nd page submits costs the user money?

i wanna just get clarity: if i fill in the first page email submit and then the second page sign up page, do i as a sign up member have to pay something after signing up (second page) or what will happen with those information?

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It doesnt matter if they fill out the 2nd page. People need to go past page 2 or 3 in order for the advertiser to make money. If they dont complete other offers within the email submit the advertiser will consider you poor quality traffic. The best they would get from page 2 would be the peoples info. They would then be able to sell it or use it to build an opt in list.

Surprised no one has said this yet...
DONT IFRAME OFFERS.
It's not worth it, sure youll be making a few buck's per email, but you WILL get termed.
And it makes you one of the biggest newbies online

audio said:

Surprised no one has said this yet...
DONT IFRAME OFFERS.
It's not worth it, sure youll be making a few buck's per email, but you WILL get termed.
And it makes you one of the biggest newbies online

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Iframe is so common now that its beyond easy for advertisers/networks to catch.

facebookdude is right but dont go for 100% conversion rate or anything close. bring in some whitehat + cheap bought traffic also.

Rushdie said:

facebookdude is right but dont go for 100% conversion rate or anything close. bring in some whitehat + cheap bought traffic also.

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can you or someone experienced say to which extend the blackhat conversions could be in order to get paid?

for example: 3 white hat conversions and 8 blackhat conversions for not getting banned but getting paid instead...someone with experience here?

Rushdie said:

facebookdude is right but dont go for 100% conversion rate or anything close. bring in some whitehat + cheap bought traffic also.

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Doing this is so obvious in my opinion. Just make sure the traffic does more than the first few pages and the network will love you.

Jaykub said:

can you or someone experienced say to which extend the blackhat conversions could be in order to get paid?

for example: 3 white hat conversions and 8 blackhat conversions for not getting banned but getting paid instead...someone with experience here?

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Depends what your doing. If your talking about FB a lot of networks like it because it converts on the backend.

This question cannot really be answered. It depends on your method and where your doing it.

After reading the posts here, I've lost confidence in my original plan. Here's my new plan...


I'll have the exact same setup as mentioned in the OP (content locker with 3 iframed email submits...this is my BH page, obviously). There will be zero backend conversions.

I'll create an additional landing page with another content locker and 3 incentive email submits. This is completely WH, and will be my WH page. It's just another "complete an offer to see the content" page...same old boring shit. I'll be able to get some backend conversions this way, because I think my visitors are pretty desperate and will complete an offer, though the CR will be way lower than my BH page. There will be a few backend conversions.

I'll also rotate offers and networks for both my BH and WH pages. For every BH offer, there's gonna be a WH offer. This will be a lot of work, so I'll stick with only 10 or so offers.

As for CR, I'd estimate the BH visitors will have a near 100% CR and only first page submits. For the WH visitors, I'd crudely estimate a 10-20% CR, but it's good enough for some backend conversions.

I'll have a landing page rotator set to 50/50 for BH/WH page exposure.

I'm sure as hell not gonna make WH pages that promote each and every single offer (for faking), so I'll be blanking all my referrers. If I promote through email, do I even need to do any faking/blanking? I'm sending people to my landers via email.

The whole point of this is to get some backend conversions to keep the advertisers happy, and that's exactly what I'm doing. What could go wrong? If anyone sees a potential fault, please let me know. I'm determined to make this work.

After I get some cash flow, I plan to buy some PPC traffic to my WH site to keep it all the more legit.

I'm very interested in this thread as this is very close to what I want to do now, but I am way behind the OP with my project.
So keep up with the good info guys.
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btw. not meaning to hijack OP's thread but will I have any technical problems placing a content locker on a flash site ? is this any different from placing it on a "regular" site ?

i would only display the offer 1 out of every 3 times or so
if 1 out of 5 people fill in the offer (normally), you would be getting like 1 in 15, which is a much better conversion rate

Ibeefaaa said:

I'm very interested in this thread as this is very close to what I want to do now, but I am way behind the OP with my project.
So keep up with the good info guys.
Subscribed !
btw. not meaning to hijack OP's thread but will I have any technical problems placing a content locker on a flash site ? is this any different from placing it on a "regular" site ?

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Content lockers should be able to work on any site, but you may have some difficulties placing it over a flash or video site. Problems like the video still playing behind the locker or the content appearing on "top" of the locker are common. The solutions are simple though, you just need to dig around.

eskimo said:

i would only display the offer 1 out of every 3 times or so
if 1 out of 5 people fill in the offer (normally), you would be getting like 1 in 15, which is a much better conversion rate

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Could you elaborate? I'm not following. (My statistic skills have long been practiced.)

caroljordan1987 said:

You really think they cannot see what you do? That's easy to catch. Not going past page 2 = poor traffic quality and sending junk traffic wont save you. It wont matter what your epc or % is.

What it comes down to is if the offers convert in the backend and make the Advertiser money. People have it in their head that if they send tons of junk traffic they will be safe. Its actually the opposite. Advertisers and networks hate junk traffic. Another piece of advise is make sure they get past page 2/3. Advertisers do not make money 99% of the time if people do not fill out the offers past page 2 or 3. This is normally what a network means when they say your traffic quality is poor. All it means most of the time is that nobody is filling out offers past page 2/3 and if this is happening Advertisers in general lose money. That's why people get removed so often.

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Precisely. If it doesnt back out for adv, your traffic will be stopped.

If you can achive 20% conversion rate you can achive it no barriers.

Great share , i will try it later

It's only safe to iframe offers that you know you can provide a good amount of clean conversions for. Even then the numbers may not add up for the advertiser.

To apply logic one step further, you have to ask yourself, is the extra cash you make from iframing worth the risk of not getting paid for your whitehat conversions? Look at the numbers on paper and weigh your options.

Sometimes black hat is just a whole lot of work and risk for very little benefit. Be smart.