i think i got scammed from @francis1017

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tigger286 said:
Guys. NEVER use crypto! If you have some sort of agreement on skype (or anything in writing) you can still use as evidence with your credit card company/paypal dispute.
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yeah) but there are cases when even paypal is useless. U might prove that you are right but money is already gone.

And about this Francis kid)) I think, when his sales thread was started, his method was working but once threshold accounts got hit, he got so much attention that people started to buy his course. Because all the sellers went out of business. He simply took opportunity))
 
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tigger286 said:
Guys. NEVER use crypto! If you have some sort of agreement on skype (or anything in writing) you can still use as evidence with your credit card company/paypal dispute.
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kelevra666 said:
yeah) but there are cases when even paypal is useless. U might prove that you are right but money is already gone.

And about this Francis kid)) I think, when his sales thread was started, his method was working but once threshold accounts got hit, he got so much attention that people started to buy his course. Because all the sellers went out of business. He simply took opportunity))
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If it didnt work, it is fine as it was working previously. So it is not really a scam.

What he did was doing an exit scam, he was reaching out to everyone even after the method stopped working to sell his service.

Very big difference here.
 
tigger286 said:
ou can still use as evidence with your credit card company/paypal dispute.
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Yes, go ahead and tell Paypal in the Paypal dispute, that you used Paypal to buy a method to create Google Ads threshold accounts (a method to f__k Google) and get your Paypal account suspended for violating Paypal's policies.
Nowadays, Paypal suspends even the BUYER'S account if the product or service that the BUYER purchased using Paypal, violates Paypal's policies.
Gone are the days when Paypal scams only sellers, Paypal is now a bigger daylight robber and nowadays, Paypal also scams buyers (who buy using Paypal). Anyways, each one to their own.
 
kelevra666 said:
yeah) but there are cases when even paypal is useless. U might prove that you are right but money is already gone.

And about this Francis kid)) I think, when his sales thread was started, his method was working but once threshold accounts got hit, he got so much attention that people started to buy his course. Because all the sellers went out of business. He simply took opportunity))
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in this case you will get your money back if you use Paypal

wormsmmc said:
If it didnt work, it is fine as it was working previously. So it is not really a scam.

What he did was doing an exit scam, he was reaching out to everyone even after the method stopped working to sell his service.

Very big difference here.
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I think so. He should ask to close the sale thread down. or find a new method. Maybe he got his by luck, not by finding it himself. well the moment, he reach out to everyone even after know it 's not working it become scam
 
Trust WorkShop said:
Yes, go ahead and tell Paypal in the Paypal dispute, that you used Paypal to buy a method to create Google Ads threshold accounts (a method to f__k Google) and get your Paypal account suspended for violating Paypal's policies.
Nowadays, Paypal suspends even the BUYER'S account if the product or service that the BUYER purchased using Paypal, violates Paypal's policies.
Gone are the days when Paypal scams only sellers, Paypal is now a bigger daylight robber and nowadays, Paypal also scams buyers (who buy using Paypal). Anyways, each one to their own.
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Good thing I always use AMEX who pretty much always sides with the cardholder.

The guy on the end wouldn't understand nor gives a shit about scamming google. They are just some low tech dude. The way you sell it to Paypal or AMEX is, here's a conversation about the terms, the terms being, seller will do X Y Z. Then you explain how they didn't do X Y Z and why you should get a chargeback. That will likely be more safe than using crypto. Am I wrong? Are they equivalent?
 
tigger286 said:
here's a conversation about the terms, the terms being, seller will do X Y Z
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Let it be AMEX or AMEX's dad, if a buyer disputes / chargebacks a transaction, they will ALWAYS ALSO ask the seller of the product or service to furnish information and the seller would in this case furnish "The buyer purchased a method from me to create multiple threshold accounts of Google Ads blablabla ... and here is the proof of delivery ...".
If the executive at AMEX or AMEX's dad hears / sees "Google", he or she would get horny enough to know that such a product or service (to create multiple threshold accounts of Google Ads), is a product / service that violates the policies of AMEX or AMEX's dad and hence, could also decline the dispute / chargeback and even block your card for violating the policies of AMEX or AMEX's dad, pertaining to usage of the card.
Now, most executives handling such customer service issues at AMEX or AMEX's dad, are dumb-ass, fat, lazy over-paid jackasses who do not even have enough of brain cells in their brains, to analyse if a product / service violates the card's policies and hence such incompetent stupid idiotic card / bank executives may most probably decide such a dispute / chargeback in favour of the buyer, no matter even if the buyer used the card for buying a product / service that violates the card's policies.

AND, if you go on buying such threshold methods, social media marketing services, proxies, etc using a card issued by AMEX or AMEX's dad or AMEX's brother (VISA) or AMEX's sister (Mastercard), Paypal, tec, then obviously due to the factors of wild breakdances by the algorithms of various platforms (especially nowadays), you will keep making a lot of disputes / chargebacks and then your card issuer will flag you (the card user) to be suspicious and all that goes into a global centralized database and for any future card applications you may do, you chances to get accepted for issuance of a card, reduces, becuase of a higher level of disputes / chargebacks initiated.
So, if you think that you are doing a smart job by paying for such types of products / services which violate card issuer's policies, Paypal policies, etc, then you are actually not doing a smart job, but rather digging a grave for your records pertaining to usage of such financial products (cards, Paypal, etc).
Anyways, each one to their own.
 
Trust WorkShop said:
Let it be AMEX or AMEX's dad, if a buyer disputes / chargebacks a transaction, they will ALWAYS ALSO ask the seller of the product or service to furnish information and the seller would in this case furnish "The buyer purchased a method from me to create multiple threshold accounts of Google Ads blablabla ... and here is the proof of delivery ...".
If the executive at AMEX or AMEX's dad hears / sees "Google", he or she would get horny enough to know that such a product or service (to create multiple threshold accounts of Google Ads), is a product / service that violates the policies of AMEX or AMEX's dad and hence, could also decline the dispute / chargeback and even block your card for violating the policies of AMEX or AMEX's dad, pertaining to usage of the card.
Now, most executives handling such customer service issues at AMEX or AMEX's dad, are dumb-ass, fat, lazy over-paid jackasses who do not even have enough of brain cells in their brains, to analyse if a product / service violates the card's policies and hence such incompetent stupid idiotic card / bank executives may most probably decide such a dispute / chargeback in favour of the buyer, no matter even if the buyer used the card for buying a product / service that violates the card's policies.

AND, if you go on buying such threshold methods, social media marketing services, proxies, etc using a card issued by AMEX or AMEX's dad or AMEX's brother (VISA) or AMEX's sister (Mastercard), Paypal, tec, then obviously due to the factors of wild breakdances by the algorithms of various platforms (especially nowadays), you will keep making a lot of disputes / chargebacks and then your card issuer will flag you (the card user) to be suspicious and all that goes into a global centralized database and for any future card applications you may do, you chances to get accepted for issuance of a card, reduces, becuase of a higher level of disputes / chargebacks initiated.
So, if you think that you are doing a smart job by paying for such types of products / services which violate card issuer's policies, Paypal policies, etc, then you are actually not doing a smart job, but rather digging a grave for your records pertaining to usage of such financial products (cards, Paypal, etc).
Anyways, each one to their own.
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1. I've gotten a chargeback before from some joker scammer on here through AMEX.

2. The guys who handle these are some rando in the Philippines or whatever who couldn't care less.

3. I also do credit card churning, which means I have a really big target on me already. So far no problems.

But hey. Keep using bitcoin cause it's obviously better.
 
I think threshold methods should be banned from bhw marketplace. Often they are waaay overpriced and because many people buy them methods get patched quickly
 
FlyingGains said:
I think threshold methods should be banned from bhw marketplace. Often they are waaay overpriced and because many people buy them methods get patched quickly
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The problem isn't that the methods are getting patched, the problem is that the sellers are continuing to sell methods that don't work while knowing they don't work and so they become scammers
 
FlyingGains said:
I think threshold methods should be banned from bhw marketplace. Often they are waaay overpriced and because many people buy them methods get patched quickly
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Maybe he planned all of this. Opened Sales thread on July 30. Got couple of thousand $ from a few members. Dispute opened on Aug 3. Banned on Aug 9.
Why sell accounts when you can just sell the "method" for 10x the price and run a few days later with thousands of dollars in your pocket.
 
Oh my God! How many people scammed by that user! I think they should impose the entire law of the forum against the
 
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