I might try selling these fake Crypto Mining Contracts

If the customer buys and I'm available to buy it from my exchange I will not waste anytime in getting it to them. Once I have the crypto in my possession it gets transferred to the customer. If there's heavy price action involved then that's the risk that's taken but the customer will get the same amount of coins they paid for regardless of the price at that time so there's no need to wait the full 24 hours to transfer the coins to the customer. They can be delivered 30 minutes to 3 hours from the time they purchased. The 24 hours is used to give the seller time to get the coins from the exchange. Some exchanges have delays on the blockchain so that allows the extra time to receive the coins.


The KYC benefit is to the customer it's really just Paxful without using Paxful as a seller. Customers buy from people like us to avoid KYC. Yes, the contracts are used to end up with a profit we mark the price up higher than the actual worth of the coin. Like a coin could be worth $300 and we sell it for $500-$600 to make $200-$300 profit.

That's why I'm trying to avoid accepting cards or using 3rd party merchants or fintechs who would shut my business down once I make too much money. I actually did accept bank transfers on Paxful one of my bank accounts got frozen but this will really be the best way to accept payment. I would have to use a bank account I don't care about and accept money through there until it gets frozen and just transfer funds regularly to my other banks. I'm going into it knowing that if I accept FIAT money then that part of the business won't last very long.

That's why I'm trying to figure out crypto to crypto to keep the business going in the long run but I might start it out with a bank transfer initially just to get the business going off the ground.


Yep exactly you got it, I probably could've worded it better but I'm glad you got it.

Yeah so I'm definitely acting as a middleman or bridge I'm just following the same practice I used on Paxful to deliver coins to people to certain countries due to regulations where they're willing to pay a premium to get the coins without having to use KYC.

I've been told that people have been doing it on eBay since the early 2010s surprisingly it's not a mainstream method but it's made people some serious money.

It's definitely an interesting business as long as you have a way of getting the coins and advertising it to customers it can definitely make you some good money.

I'm only no longer using it on Paxful because I've had trouble with the payment gateways they accept and with eBay I hate GayPal and don't want to use any escrow service which can easily scam me if the customer doesn't pay first.
If the goal is to sell to people who wan to avoid KYC, crytpo to crypto is worthless bc they already would have had crytpto so they wont need you. You can exchange coins anywhere without kyc.

If you are selling to people who want to avoid KYC while using a card there are two possibilities here:
1) they charge back right away, either the card is stolen or they are doing friendly fraud, either way you lose the $$ and the account. Using paypal stealth means you also lost the investment in that.

2) they are not going to charge back:
They need to cash out anonymously and have need to avoid KYC. In this case they have an anonymous card but it is the card they will be using and keeping, they arent looking to commit fraud with it and jeopardize the account. In this case, they will be able to pass KYC anywhere without the need to have to pass KYC personally. ie they have super stealth. So kyc doesnt matter to them.

If they really just wanted to buy crypto and get around their local laws they would use bank transfer to pay, they wouldn't be holding out for card ojnly payment, thats a giveaway that its fraud.
You need a better bank transfer setup, a merchant account for bank transfers so you can pull the money out of their account. They can still dispute it though so youd really need to trust cusotmers or be ready to abandon the bank account if you get disputes.
What payment accounts did you use that got shut down? Or was it just your bank account that got shut down and what was the reason given?
 
That's why I'm not even really going to do it on eBay and that's why I'm trying to use my own site so customers pay me first upfront. It's too easy to get fucked over if I give them the coins before I receive payment. My friend told me to get the money first like I did on Paxful. Some customers will pay first because they're desperate to get the coins they don't mind taking the risk. I've had repeat customers in the past because they trusted me since I didn't cheat them.

As far as stealth cards and stuff I don't even bother with that stuff because it will eventually get shutdown I tried it before and it didn't last long. The best way is to go with a trustworthy payment that doesn't shutdown that easily.


Oh yeah I know I was already in this business on Paxful and my customers were never cheated by me they got exactly what they paid for and many of them kept using me because they trusted me so much. I would still have those customers today if my payment gateways didn't shut me down.
Fair enough.. all the best in your venture then
 
At first sight this may seem wrong but if you really think about it, this is how all commodities contracts work.

When you buy a barrel of oil you never actually see any oil at all.

There's a name for this even, I used to hear it all the time back in the day. I forget now.... When you deal something on paper only, not actually the real thing.

There's nothing wrong or new about this.

Your risk as someone already pointed out is price swinging hard overnight and you not being able to honor the contract.

I think basically you're dealing "mining options" here. I think that's it. Not illegal or wrong, but very high risk because you don't actually own the goods and Bitcoin can go up or down 50% overnight.
 
If the goal is to sell to people who wan to avoid KYC, crytpo to crypto is worthless bc they already would have had crytpto so they wont need you. You can exchange coins anywhere without kyc.

If you are selling to people who want to avoid KYC while using a card there are two possibilities here:
1) they charge back right away, either the card is stolen or they are doing friendly fraud, either way you lose the $$ and the account. Using paypal stealth means you also lost the investment in that.

2) they are not going to charge back:
They need to cash out anonymously and have need to avoid KYC. In this case they have an anonymous card but it is the card they will be using and keeping, they arent looking to commit fraud with it and jeopardize the account. In this case, they will be able to pass KYC anywhere without the need to have to pass KYC personally. ie they have super stealth. So kyc doesnt matter to them.

If they really just wanted to buy crypto and get around their local laws they would use bank transfer to pay, they wouldn't be holding out for card ojnly payment, thats a giveaway that its fraud.
You need a better bank transfer setup, a merchant account for bank transfers so you can pull the money out of their account. They can still dispute it though so youd really need to trust cusotmers or be ready to abandon the bank account if you get disputes.
What payment accounts did you use that got shut down? Or was it just your bank account that got shut down and what was the reason given?
Yeah, I'm definitely not using cards that's not going to work with this method anyways it's too easy of a chance to chargeback.

The only benefit I can see with crypto to crypto is if the person needs me to exchange it because whatever platform their using doesn't have the coin that they want to exchange it with.

Bank transfers or merchant accounts might be the only realistic option but still, a chance of chargeback like you said or bank or merchant account getting frozen. A family & friends type option like on PayPal or CashApp could work as well. That's the closest thing to cash or crypto as you can get.

I was using things like Zelle and Venmo on Paxful then I used a bank account that got frozen when using customers who were paying big amounts. The exact reason was never given but I know it was because of large amounts being accepted.

Fair enough.. all the best in your venture then
Thanks, man I appreciate it and I'll probably update here how it goes for me once I get it up and running.
 
At first sight this may seem wrong but if you really think about it, this is how all commodities contracts work.

When you buy a barrel of oil you never actually see any oil at all.

There's a name for this even, I used to hear it all the time back in the day. I forget now.... When you deal something on paper only, not actually the real thing.

There's nothing wrong or new about this.

Your risk as someone already pointed out is price swinging hard overnight and you not being able to honor the contract.

I think basically you're dealing "mining options" here. I think that's it. Not illegal or wrong, but very high risk because you don't actually own the goods and Bitcoin can go up or down 50% overnight.
Exactly and that's how I've always viewed it as it's really like a commodities contract.

There's a risk on both sides for the seller and the customer. Most people know what they get into with stuff like this ahead of time just like gambling you already know when you gamble there's a high chance you lose the money you put in.

You just hope for the best! LOL!
 
We’re you using g personal banking?
If receiving large amounts at once or just i. Total monthly volume on personal zelle/venmo to a personal bank they likely flagged it as business and personal accounts won’t accept you using them for business.

Where are the majority of your customers from?
 
You just hope for the best! LOL!

Options traders actually have some pretty intricate setups to reduce risk.

They buy and sell at the same time, on different price levels and stuff like that, hedging themselves. I'm no big expert but I do know it's not about just hoping for the best.
 
Options traders actually have some pretty intricate setups to reduce risk.

They buy and sell at the same time, on different price levels and stuff like that, hedging themselves. I'm no big expert but I do know it's not about just hoping for the best.
Well he really wouldn’t be selling options.
With options you get the option to buy the stock at a set price regardless of the price at the time you exercise it.
What he’s doing is selling a set amount of the stock(crypto here not a stock I know) at a set price.
It’s not options at all.
 
Well he really wouldn’t be selling options.
With options you get the option to buy the stock at a set price regardless of the price at the time you exercise it.
What he’s doing is selling a set amount of the stock(crypto here not a stock I know) at a set price.
It’s not options at all.

You're right but the amount isn't set either and neither is the price. Mining contracts don't include any guarantees about how much BTC it's gonna yield.

This is more like a roulette LOL

Now it just struck me - I wonder if big cloud mining cos haven't been doing this since the beginning?
 
That's why I'm not even really going to do it on eBay and that's why I'm trying to use my own site so customers pay me first upfront. It's too easy to get fucked over if I give them the coins before I receive payment. My friend told me to get the money first like I did on Paxful. Some customers will pay first because they're desperate to get the coins they don't mind taking the risk. I've had repeat customers in the past because they trusted me since I didn't cheat them.

As far as stealth cards and stuff I don't even bother with that stuff because it will eventually get shutdown I tried it before and it didn't last long. The best way is to go with a trustworthy payment that doesn't shutdown that easily.


Oh yeah I know I was already in this business on Paxful and my customers were never cheated by me they got exactly what they paid for and many of them kept using me because they trusted me so much. I would still have those customers today if my payment gateways didn't shut me down.
Which payment gateways have you used in the past? Just being curious
 
I'm looking to sell them crypto for crypto as I'm not dealing with FIAT money anymore due to scamming customers. It looks interesting for sure and worth checking out.

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is that even allowed on ebay tough? i belive it's high risk on ban.
 
Which payment gateways have you used in the past? Just being curious
I've used PayPal, Stripe, Venmo, Zelle, and bank transfer. All five of them have given me trouble.

is that even allowed on ebay tough? i belive it's high risk on ban.
I'm not even sure there's quite a few sellers who have been on there for years. My friend had been doing it for years without a ban. I won't be using eBay to sell them so I could care less as I've had plenty of troubles with them in the past.
 
I've used PayPal, Stripe, Venmo, Zelle, and bank transfer. All five of them have given me trouble.


I'm not even sure there's quite a few sellers who have been on there for years. My friend had been doing it for years without a ban. I won't be using eBay to sell them so I could care less as I've had plenty of troubles with them in the past.
nice than, you should try to do it. the problem not using e commerce is gainign trust tough. gl on the journey
 
nice than, you should try to do it. the problem not using e commerce is gainign trust tough. gl on the journey
Exactly I totally agree with that it's all about gaining trust. As long as the trust is there they'll keep buying. All I gotta do is find a gateway that I can rely on for a long-time. Thank you bro I appreciate it!
 
Exactly I totally agree with that it's all about gaining trust. As long as the trust is there they'll keep buying. All I gotta do is find a gateway that I can rely on for a long-time. Thank you bro I appreciate it!
What volume did you have in monthly USD?
How much was the average transaction?
 
Be ready for legal consequences.
 
A friend on Telegram recently showed me his earnings from selling these fake crypto mining contracts on eBay.

From my understanding these crypto mining contracts as if they're mining new coins like Bitcoin or Doge and they sell a contract for 24 hours to mine them and sell those same coins when in reality the seller is likely buying these coins from a source and giving themselves 24 hours or less to send the coins directly to the buyer's wallet address to complete the sell.

My friend does it on eBay but I'm looking into selling them through my new crypto e-commerce site. I'm looking to sell them crypto for crypto as I'm not dealing with FIAT money anymore due to scamming customers. It looks interesting for sure and worth checking out.
Bruh wtf?!
 
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