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I Accused Wrongly and Got Banned!

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by Gromered, Jul 28, 2010.

  1. Gromered

    Gromered BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    2 weeks ago we were talking about that i make a website for huggableM. I didnt make a website for him, i sold a website template for him for 50$. I sent that website template for him and i newer reveiced payment. I dont really care about that website template becouse it only took 2 hours to make that.

    I posted huggableM shit list becouse i want to give a warning to all BHW members that we have again cathed a new scammer.
     
  2. fear91

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    First receive payment then do your services...
     
  3. BigBuddy

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    huggableM is online now and PM ed him about this thread. Lets wait for his reply.
     
  4. huggableM

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    Here are the facts:

    Gromered and I had a deal that was very clearly stated. I had a website that was doing all right, but I wanted to make it look more professional. So we made a deal: he improves my website, and does everything we talked about. Not a template, but a full website. It costs $50. I paid the $50, he made a website that is far worse than the one I previously had.

    Not only was half the page just a big ad for his company "Gorgeous Global Group", it has absolutely nothing to do with what my website is about (fitness). Besides that, there are too many bugs in the website to count. Worst of all, my traffic dropped to zero. Absolutely nothing.

    I asked Gromered for a refund, and he said he never received the money, despite me sending him the $50, and telling him the transaction ID.

    Not only that, he actually had the audacity to post this thread.

    Gromered owes me a refund of $50. Actually, he owes me a refund of more than that, because not only was it NOT done to satisfaction, it made the site far worse. I'll post our email exchanges in this thread.
     
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  5. gonzomcribbinz

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    Not taking any sides at all, but this part stuck out to me:


    Are you sure your tracking code was re-installed properly across the entire new site after the changes? Your traffic may not have dropped, it may just not be being tracked.

    Good luck to both of you.
     
  6. huggableM

    huggableM Newbie

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    He messages me:

    Hello, i have 6 years knowledge about website design and all kind of programmin, i would love to help you with your websites!

    And what prize, that can be very low, becouse i love to do this,

    I have also my own delicated servers, if you want to see some examples.


    I message him back:

    Hi Gromered,

    Thanks a lot for the reply. Please have a look at my site, and tell me what you think you can do for it: http://hiderefer.org/?http://www.torontofitnessonline.com/(can't post my link).


    He responds:

    What can i say.. Even favicon.ICO is missing =) There is.. Alot what i can make on that site, much more graphics and cooler websites..Depends of course what you like.

    Im currently constructing my own website, and that same time i can do fast for you.

    How much are you are willing to pay, and payments go in paypal? (only what i have)


    I reply:

    Hi Gromered,

    Yeah, it's not the prettiest site lol. Do you do on-page optimization as well?

    I do have paypal, but I have no idea what is a reasonable price for something like this. What would you charge for something like that?


    He responds:

    I would like to make you whole new webiste with Dreamweaver CS5. Ill start doing it in few days, ill copy all your things from your currently web site and make it best what i can do.

    Lets think about the prize when i have done those websites, please add my messenger (can't put his email in this thread).


    I reply:

    Hi Gromered,

    I appreciate your willingness to do it and be helpful, but I'd like to work out the price before starting work, just so that there's no surprises at the end. So are you able to give me a quote?


    He replies:

    Usualy i have done websites for low prizes, if we look at websites what are selling websites they cost like 200 - 300$

    My prize would be about 50 - 60$. What you say of that? And in the end, if you think that those sites are not worth of 50 - 60$ we can make prize lower, but i can tell you that they are!


    I reply:

    Hi Gromered,

    $50 is a fairly good price. Just so I'm sure, are you familiar with on-page optimization, and opt-in forms?

    Also, I like the domain name that I currently have, and have worked quite a bit to get it higher up in the Alexa ranking. Can we keep the site I already have, just make it more presentable, and on-page optimized, along with an opt-in form?


    He Replies:

    Not that familiar with on-page optimization, but ill make these websites SEO friedly, i can also build few backlinks for you. So do you upload your files by FTP, so what kind of hosting you have?

    Of course we keep your own domain.

    Ill just make those websites, and send those for you in ZIP file, when i have reveiced money, of course before i send you can view those from my servers.

    I also make that way, that you can easily edit those websites news and texts things in notebad or some website program.


    I respond:

    Hi Gromered,

    Out of curiosity, how can you make the site SEO friendly without on-page optimization?

    I'm getting hosting from justhost.com. I'm not sure what FTP is, but there is an on-site editor in a control panel... I'm not sure if that means anything to you lol.

    Instead of me fumbling with a zip file, can I give you the password and username to my account, and you do everything from there?

    In terms of payment, can we break it up, where I pay you $10 to start the project, and $40 at the end?


    He replies:

    My english is not the best, but i can ensure you that your website will be SEO friendly. I just looked at your hosting service and its looking good. There is FTP and everything (Thats good thing)

    I will start the project even without a starting payment, becouse i know that you pay, becouse i have the copyrights till you have "bought" the website.

    Could you give me your justhost details and ill start working with that.

    About 2 -4 days and your websites will be ready.
    - My paypal account email is (can't post the email)


    I reply:

    Hi Gromered,

    Just one last issue before I give you the job. Are you able to install a FREE form that takes people's names, email addresses, and phone numbers? Have a look at my other site: (can't post URL)

    See how on the right side, there's a form that says
    "Free consultations and other services are given away frequently. Sign up to get communications by email about opportunities for free services, often exceeding $10,000:"

    And below it, there are fields for a person's email address, first name and last name?

    Well, that form is free. Are you able to install something like that?


    He replies:

    I can install that kind of forms, i have many that kind of forms in my old and currently websites, i can just copy paste =)


    I reply:

    Excellent. Can I see some examples of some sites that you've designed in the past?

    He replies:

    (can't post the link) our family websites. Menno is these sites administer, becouse he is more active. Its just place for pictures and so on.

    http://hiderefer.org/?http://www.ilmasto.suntuubi.com/(can't post the link) - This was my first website ever, havent updated that for years and not going to update anymore. I made that site about 6 years ago.

    There is not another online, and my currently website i cant let you in, becouse there is "secret stuff, what will come out in few days"

    Have you newer heard of redwolfbladedancer productions? I have also being in that and being partners with travian, done work with then in germany.



    I wrote:

    Hi Gromered,

    Looks Good.

    Here is my user name and password for the site:

    User name: (my user name)
    Password: (my password)

    If you have any questions, or any ideas for how you can make the site more marketable, please run it by me.

    Thank you!


    He wrote:

    Okay! I will start working, few days and your new websites are ready!. Do you send that 10$ into my paypal now by the way?

    Ill start working =)


    I wrote:

    Hey Gromered,

    Just sent you the money. The email address is (my email address - can't write)

    the transaction ID is 7Y2587814U827411B

    Can't wait to see my new site


    He wrote:

    You will see in few days, ill try to make it like fitness template =)


    I wrote:

    Perfect!

    By the way, would it be possible to install a "tell your friend about this site" button on every page?


    He wrote:

    Here is a screenshot for template what i have done to your website, what do you think about it? (Link to Template... a bad one, at that )


    I replied:

    Not bad, but would it be possible to get something more in line with my other site's colors (black, red, and white)?


    He replied:

    Just to remind you that that 10,00$ havent came into my paypal account.

    Paypal account email:
    (his email address)

    I wrote:

    I sent it to your other email address (I tell him which email address). Please have a look at it. I sent it from (my email address), and the transaction ID is
    7Y2587814U827411B

    He replied:

    Okay, i have being now doing hard work constructing your websites, your websites are now half flash sites and half html websites. You might dont know what i mean, but flash is cool. Website is almost easy to edit for you at your Cpanel editing place.

    There is now few forms, and im thinking that website is looking good.

    While i was working with this website i used my Xrumer to get you more backlinks and make your website more friendly with SEO! You get about 2000 - 3000 backlinks from my Xrumer work now.

    Ill install your new websites on your forum, when i got rest of the payments. - When you see your new website, if something is mixed in there or you want a change of colors or something, i will make what you ask!

    P.S
    Tell a friend buttom is too =)

    Cheers.


    I replied:

    Hey Gromered,

    Thanks a lot for the update and the hard work, and even the backlinks!

    I went to my site at (my website) and it looks exactly the same. Am I missing something?


    He replied:

    After i have reveiced that 40$ ill upload websites to your hosting services via FTP. Sorry for if this sound kind of strange, but i trust you that you pay me, but in my past there have being few people cheating in this trading and i didnt newer reveice payment =(

    Hey, btw. I almost forget to make that email thing in the website, ill make that too before i uplaod, it wont take long.

    Off topic: I just got today promoted to Jr.vip for free, moderators/administer like´s me =)!


    I replied:

    Hey Gromered,

    Which email account should I send it to?

    He replied:

    send to (his email address) becouse my other email is bugging.


    Before I responded, he sent me another PM:

    After we have completed this (i have got payment and i i have uploaded websites) (my website)http://hiderefer.org/?http://www.torontofitnessonline.com/

    I can offer you a special offer, becouse you seem to have more sites than 1, i can create new websites for all of then just for 30$/website.

    And i can also be updating your websites and making there new things just for 2,50$/month.

    Think about that offer too =)

    cheers.


    I replied:

    Hey Gromered,

    I sent you the $40. Again, I sent it from (my email address) and the transaction ID is #5KF744908X627622G

    I really appreciate your special offer. I actually only have 2 websites. And it's a really good deal you're giving me, so I greatly appreciate it. At the moment, I don't need new sites, but if I do, you'll be the first person I go to in the future. Thanks a lot!


    He replied:

    Dreamweaver just managed to find few bugs, ill fix then and your new website will be online in 2 - 3 hours!


    I replied:

    Hey Gromered,

    Are you done fixing the site? No rush, I'm just wondering whether what I'm looking at is now the finished product or not. If it is, there are a few modifications I'd like to make.


    He replied:

    Fixing!


    I replied:

    All right.

    By the way, would you be able to completely eliminate the big flash on the home page that says "gorgeous global group"? Thank you!


    He replied:

    Yes i can do that, it will take moment, becouse our internet connection is down! I do it right at the way i can!




    After that, I haven't heard from him for a few days, so I started PMing him. I sent 3 or 4 PMs without a reply, finally, one of my PMs gets a reply.

    I wrote:

    Hi Gromered,

    Despite the many PMs I've sent you, I haven't gotten any replies.

    I'd like to request a refund for my site. Not only did you not do what you promised, you actually made it worse than it was before, and traffic dropped to zero.

    Please give me a refund, as you promised.


    He replied:

    What are you talking about refund? I sent you a website template and i newer reveiced a payment.





    That's the details of our conversation. You be the judge. If you'd like, PM me, and I'll give you all the websites that were omitted from this transcription.
     
  7. gonzomcribbinz

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    "Not that familiar with on-page optimization, but ill make these websites SEO friedly"

    LOL! Sometimes you get what you pay for, man. I mean, look at it this way: it's $40 stinking dollars. Anyone with a little experience in this business would have made three times that in the time you guys have been arguing about this.

    My advice: chalk it up to "fuck it, that didn't work out" and both of you go your separate ways. These threads always end up making both parties look bad and looking bad on a forum with so many awesome potential business partners is NOT worth $40.

    /my $.02
     
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  8. huggableM

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    Learned a lesson there.

    Nonetheless, it's actually $50, and for a person in my financial situation, that's quite a lot. I think a refund is not even fair (what would be fair is to at least return my site to the way it was), but I'll take it.
     
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  9. Gromered

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    Wow you are good to make fake conversations. Yes i told you that i can make you a full website, but when we was chatting in messenger you told me that you only want a template what you want to fill up with your website information.

    When we were having conversations in PM you showed me your website, what havent being changed lately.

    http://www.torontofitnessonline.com/

    And.. What i can look from here, http://www.gid-web.com/Templates/Site_demos/Flash/20162/index.html

    This is the same website, you have being cloning this website, when you made that website. And i can see that, this website is not professional becouse its copied, that might be why you wanted me to get you a new template.

    But i have learned that i will not newer again do my services for people if i dont reveice payment before starting to do anything.

    You have also broked copyrights of gorgeus global group, should i make a report and you need to pay a lot for them =)?
     
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  10. huggableM

    huggableM Newbie

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    Gromered, you are an all-out criminal and lowlife.

    These are the real conversations I've had with you. I never added you to messenger, and we never talked by messenger.

    I'm done with you. I sincerely hope that this somehow comes back to bite you in the ass. Badly. And you still owe me a refund.
     
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  11. sangbiru

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    for me... i'll never send any template before get the final payment. i always sending jpg watermarked to ask the final words from my client. ;)
     
  12. BigBuddy

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    Fine. Huggablem, if you send the payment thru paypal to gromered. Pm me the email screen shot, which PP will send u after making the payment.
     
  13. xplicit

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    Ok, I have to jump in here...

    You wanted a full website, and he said he would do it for $50...

    Theres your red flag right there... Anyone who is good at design is not going to do a full website (that looks good) for $50
     
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  14. Gromered

    Gromered BANNED BANNED Premium Member

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    Thats is right, no one is not making a full professional flash template for anyone for 50$. It would be costing more than 200 - 300$

    And HuggaleM you have added me at messenger and we newer had that conversation.

    And i newer reveiced payment and havent done any anything with paypal for over 1 year.

    [​IMG]

    And if you really have sent a payment you have sent it to wrong email or something, but i dont belive that you have sent me any payment. Becouse i havent reveiced any.
     
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    xplicit BANNED BANNED

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    I am not jumping to conclusions, but that paypal looks brand new. On the right, it says to "confirm your email"... sorry but that tells me its not a year old.
     
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    Hi gromered, From your PP screenshot, I can see, you have not even confirmed your email address. For the past one year, have u not even confirmed?

    Its look like new PP account.
     
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  17. xplicit

    xplicit BANNED BANNED

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    Quit copying me buddy.:D
     
  18. BigBuddy

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    mate, check the timing man, both had the same doubt and in seconds you posted. :D. Anyway, gromered, if you wrongly abused huggablem - Read the shitlist rules.
     
  19. xplicit

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    But I was first, so your a copy catter..
     
  20. Dadelius

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    2 points for huggablem for not outing op's info
    -2 for op outing his site

    -10 for op a fake paypal screenshot
     
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