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Humble Security Question...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by NobodysDaughter, Jun 21, 2010.

  1. NobodysDaughter

    NobodysDaughter Newbie

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    As a complete newbie, I know there has to be an eye towards keeping things anonymous when Black Hatting... I'd be eternally grateful to the more knowledgable people on the site if you'd be willing to fill me in a bit on security/anonymity needs from a black hat point of view. I'm happy to do the legwork & research on my own, but I'm hoping that the gurus here will be so kind as to hook me up and let me know just what it is I should be researching and planning with an eye towards...

    Thanks in advance for any light you can shed on the topic for us n00bs!

    ~Nobody's Daughter
     
  2. lwelch45

    lwelch45 Junior Member

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    When doing black hat operatioins like keyword scraping and whatnot there always lies the possibility that your ip may become blocked. But by the use of proxies, you can become anonymous in the eyes of the internet, thus allowing you to continue your blackhat operations
     
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  3. Allie Albatross

    Allie Albatross Junior Member

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    It depends on the context. If you wanted to remain anonymous on IRC for example, you would use an SSH tunnel or VPN via an anonymity provider to anonymize your connection to the IRC server. They're useful for hiding your IP from other people on the server but not useful for truly anonymizing yourself if someone with authority were to request your details from the shell provider. Now, if you are trying to remain anonymous to your Affiliate Managers, with where your traffic is coming from, that's a different story. Most would recommend you either cloak your traffic or hide it.


    What exactly are your security concerns? Do you believe your network is endanger of being exploited? Maybe a server perhaps? The general population wouldn't have the slightest clue on how to infiltrate your home network or whatever software you have running. What Operating System do you run? Do you have proper hardware/software firewalls?

    Just remember this. You are never completely anonymous. Every server keeps logs. Your ISP keeps logs. You can be found, if they want you bad enough. The only guaranteed way to be 100% anonymous is to be un-plugged from the Internet.
     
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  4. NobodysDaughter

    NobodysDaughter Newbie

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    Allie-
    I don't really have any network/server concerns at this point... I'm just so embarassingly green when it comes to all types of Black Hat tactics/techniques that I'm just looking for the beginnings of things that would probably be common knowledge among the more seasoned/knowledgable members of the forum, as I truly have no idea what I should be concerned with. I don't have the desire/knowledge to do anything horribly illegal at this point :D I guess at this point I'm mainly looking to remain in good standing with Paypal, my hosting company (who I've heard will get suspicious at even a small spike in traffic)... Also, I definitely need to look into and get a better understanding of cloaking, the benefits of using a proxy, that sort of thing.

    Sorry this is such a broad/vague post- I realize it's hard to answer a question when when you aren't quite sure what the person wants to know! Hell, even I'M not entirely sure what I want to know yet:eek: I'm working on figuring things out from the knowledge & tips on the board though, I swear!

    Thanks again for your help!

    ~Nobody's Daughter
     
  5. gregstereo

    gregstereo Elite Member

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    I would suggest you start by learning the basics of proxies - the difference between anonymous and "leaky" proxies, terms like level 1/2/3 and elite/non-elite, etc. so you can understand different msgs about proxy-related issues. You might want to read a bit on wikipedia, and read apekillape's stickied posts in the proxy forum here for starters.

    For cloaking, there's another forum here on bhw about that with some good faq type posts of late. Free advice - learn a bit before you try cloak links, cloaking improperly could actually get you in a worse situation that going uncloaked (dependent of course on what you're up to :).

    As far as privacy "in general", that's a very broad topic, but you should probably learn about domain name privacy if you aren't already slightly familiar with the concept of how whois data can be accessed and used. And a dose of paranoia mixed with an understanding of social engineering goes a long way also.

    peace - gregs.
     
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  6. blackheader

    blackheader Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Hey NobodysDoughter,

    always remember that blackhat is not illegal, which means you ONLY try to "hide" for some reason from beeing identified by an website (for example if you want to create some profiles on FacebOok, which is not illegal [as far as I know and you don´t abuse this for fraud, spam, etc.], BUT is violating faceboOks TOS, therefore you use proxies.

    So in order to "hide" you should inform yourself about proxies / VPN´s. There are public proxies (not very secure) as well as private proxies (more secure when it comes to hiding). They allow you hide more or less. But, a proxy won´t save you from beeing pursued for illegal activites. After you know a little bit about proxies, etc., it is important that websites can identify you via cookies & flashcookies, [as well as your mac address (like paypal, I believe), but identification of your mac-address is only beeing done by the BIG GUYS! I heared googIe tracks your mac-address when you download chrome.] So when you change IP´s via proxy make sure to delete your cookies & flash-cookies. Maybe you should even change your mac-address, but that is more advanced.

    PS: as you mentioned in your reply: don´t use proxies to create accounts on PayPal, they´ll def. track you down, and none of your accounts would remain in a good standing ;-))

    PS: here is a thread on how to install a proxy in your browser: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/proxies/23106-how-set-up-proxy-your-browser.html
     
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  7. greentitanium

    greentitanium Senior Member

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    its not very easy.
    i work with a company and im trying to go black hat,
    while trying to maintain an arms length distance.
    i tried to set up an alias. but then i go and get a prepaid credit card
    and they want a frickin social (if its reloadable)
    then buying hosting was a pain. the first few i tried wouldnt accept any prepaid cards anyway.
    its a serious drain.
    plus if you arent using 2 different computers, at least, you may lose your hair
    trying to remember which ip you are on, flipping between browsers, deleting cookies and super cookies, cache..ETC!!
     
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  8. NobodysDaughter

    NobodysDaughter Newbie

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    Thanks so much for all the advice andd tips everyone- this gives me a great place to start researching! You guys are the best!!
     
  9. NobodysDaughter

    NobodysDaughter Newbie

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    Thanks so much for all the advice and tips everyone- this definitely gives me some direction so that I can start researching (and make sure what I'm learning will be helpful in what I do)! You guys are the best!!
     
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