Huge serp drop after building pbn links

nakamura · Feb 18, 2017

So I made 1x PBN backlink per day for five of my money sites for about 14 days until end of december '16.

The keyword position from two of them started to drop heavily. I am talking about from #10-15 to #60-Nowhere. Now after more than 45 days they are still nowhere, it still seems like the rankings won't come back / rank in a higher position than before.

On the three other money sites it had no impact atll all. They didnt lose rankings, but also they didnt improve.

Anyone experienced the same?

I thought about the PBN domains are penalized, but they are still in the serps and seem to be fine.

daserpent · Feb 18, 2017

Keep building these links and keep adding more content every day.

BuySocialMarket · Feb 18, 2017

It happens to me often, usually its a dance and then you recover 1-3 weeks later. You need to keep building links through it though

ThopHayt · Feb 18, 2017

nakamura said:
So I made 1x PBN backlink per day for five of my money sites for about 14 days until end of december '16.

The keyword position from two of them started to drop heavily. I am talking about from #10-15 to #60-Nowhere. Now after more than 45 days they are still nowhere, it still seems like the rankings won't come back / rank in a higher position than before.

On the three other money sites it had no impact atll all. They didnt lose rankings, but also they didnt improve.

Anyone experienced the same?

I thought about the PBN domains are penalized, but they are still in the serps and seem to be fine.

A) Did you put a link to each of your 5 money sites on EACH PBN?

B) Was this your PBN or did you buy links on somebody's network?

-ThopHayt

Nargil · Feb 18, 2017

ThopHayt said:
A) Did you put a link to each of your 5 money sites on EACH PBN?

B) Was this your PBN or did you buy links on somebody's network?

-ThopHayt

^^ this

Answer to these 2 questions will answer your opening post questions as well.

adultj · Feb 18, 2017

This happened to one of my sites... a huge drop on my main keywords.
I'm not sure what caused it because I've bought different services, link pyramid, pbn posts, web 2.0

Do people think the cause is the PBN's?

Nargil · Feb 18, 2017

adultj said:
This happened to one of my sites... a huge drop on my main keywords.
I'm not sure what caused it because I've bought different services, link pyramid, pbn posts, web 2.0

Do people think the cause is the PBN's?

I think the cause is way too many crap services pointed to a money site or anchor overoptimization etc, but the cheap and badly done public PBN is more likely the main cause.

drogon · Feb 18, 2017

Did you build other links in the past? If so how is your anchor text ratio before and after these new links? might be the reason more than anything else.

ThopHayt · Feb 18, 2017

Nargil said:
I think the cause is way too many crap services pointed to a money site or anchor overoptimization etc, but the cheap and badly done public PBN is more likely the main cause.

Agreed. Google is way more sensitive toward poor content, link velocity, anchors, and link patters than they used to be.

Link pyramids especially seem risky these days. I'm shocked they are used outside churn/burn parasites, as they exhibit all the concerns I listed above in one service lol.

-ThopHayt

nakamura · Feb 19, 2017

ThopHayt said:
A) Did you put a link to each of your 5 money sites on EACH PBN?

B) Was this your PBN or did you buy links on somebody's network?

-ThopHayt

A) 50/50 on some there were already existing articles with the other money sites (not all, maybe 2-3). I made sure there is no pattern in when the different money sites were posted. So I didn't post all 5 money sites on each pbn, but 2-3 were already existing on the PBN from months ago.

B) No, it is my own private network.

Some general information: most time I used LSI anchors. The keyword density on my money sites are kinda low. Around 0,5 to 1%. Before PBN links I made a lot web2.0 links.

To lower the anchor ratio I can simply change them or build new links with brand/url anchor right.?

Nargil · Feb 19, 2017

nakamura said:
A) 50/50 on some there were already existing articles with the other money sites (not all, maybe 2-3). I made sure there is no pattern in when the different money sites were posted. So I didn't post all 5 money sites on each pbn, but 2-3 were already existing on the PBN from months ago.

B) No, it is my own private network.

Some general information: most time I used LSI anchors. The keyword density on my money sites are kinda low. Around 0,5 to 1%. Before PBN links I made a lot web2.0 links.

To lower the anchor ratio I can simply change them or build new links with brand/url anchor right.?

Changing anchors is not the best of ideas. Your best call is to build new links with better anchors.

And about LSI... are you sure they were LSI and not partial match anchors? Many people mistake these two and end up veeeery sad. So if you built shittons of partial match anchors, it's quite obvious where the problem is.

nakamura · Feb 19, 2017

Nargil said:
Changing anchors is not the best of ideas. Your best call is to build new links with better anchors.

And about LSI... are you sure they were LSI and not partial match anchors? Many people mistake these two and end up veeeery sad. So if you built shittons of partial match anchors, it's quite obvious where the problem is.

Okay, I get your point.
So lets say my main keyword is "dog training" and I use the anchor " training for dogs" and "dog cheap and effective training". Are they LSI or partial match anchors?

If they are not LSI anchors, how would they look like for this example?

Nargil · Feb 19, 2017

nakamura said:
Okay, I get your point.
So lets say my main keyword is "dog training" and I use the anchor " training for dogs" and "dog cheap and effective training". Are they LSI or partial match anchors?

If they are not LSI anchors, how would they look like for this example?

These are partial match rather than LSI. You can easily check what the LSI would be here - http://lsigraph.com/

hippo123 · Feb 19, 2017

LSI Anchors are essentially variations of the same keyword. For example, an LSI of dog would be "Puppy", "Canine", or "Mongrel"

Partial Match are partial matches of your desired keywords. For example, a partial match of "Dog Training" would be "Best Dog Training Tips".

nakamura · Feb 19, 2017

Nargil said:
These are partial match rather than LSI. You can easily check what the LSI would be here - http://lsigraph.com/

hippo123 said:
LSI Anchors are essentially variations of the same keyword. For example, an LSI of dog would be "Puppy", "Canine", or "Mongrel"

Partial Match are partial matches of your desired keywords. For example, a partial match of "Dog Training" would be "Best Dog Training Tips".

Ok, but on the site Nargil posted, when I type "dog training" it also suggests me "free dog training tips" or "dog obedience training" which would partial match according to you.

kontentdruid · Feb 19, 2017

nakamura said:
Ok, but on the site Nargil posted, when I type "dog training" it also suggests me "free dog training tips" or "dog obedience training" which would partial match according to you.

a much safer form of anchor text linking is to use a generic word like 'here', surrounded by keywords
"check out our dog training guide here for the best dog training tips."

MisterF · Feb 19, 2017

Who / where did you buy from?

Have you seen this ?
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/pbn-sellers-linked-to-each-other.917399/

Nargil · Feb 19, 2017

nakamura said:
Ok, but on the site Nargil posted, when I type "dog training" it also suggests me "free dog training tips" or "dog obedience training" which would partial match according to you.

They contain partial words of your keyword, so I consider them to be a partial match. If majority of your anchor profile is made out of words like these and not frm brand/url anchors, then I can assure you, this is the problem.

nakamura · Feb 19, 2017

Nargil said:
They contain partial words of your keyword, so I consider them to be a partial match. If majority of your anchor profile is made out of words like these and not frm brand/url anchors, then I can assure you, this is the problem.

I guess so. I will use more brand + keyword/ brand and URL anchors. thanks a lot.

kontentguy said:
a much safer form of anchor text linking is to use a generic word like 'here', surrounded by keywords
"check out our dog training guide here for the best dog training tips."

but will it have the same power/impact as I use LSI/exact match anchors?

MisterF said:
Who / where did you buy from?

Have you seen this ?
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/pbn-sellers-linked-to-each-other.917399/

I saw this thread, but I didn't buy any service. I am using my own private network.

kontentdruid · Feb 19, 2017

nakamura said:
but will it have the same power/impact as I use LSI/exact match anchors?

jim boykin mentioned this strategy at a conference in the last year and said he saw great returns, and its a much safer way, obviously

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