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Howie Schwartz Tactic Discussion

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by norway000x, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. norway000x

    norway000x Junior Member

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    Hi,

    Everyone probably knows how Howie set up his networks by now and that he targets long tail keyword phrases.

    With his long tail keywords, low number of indexed pages, low number of allinanchor results, low allintitle results, and his "web 2.0 web" of sites there's not so strange that he could dominate a page in google and rake in the profits.

    For these kind of keywords I think he uses between 25-36 web 2.0 pages and link them togeter.

    But how does his tactic work out on a shorter 3-4 word keyword phrases with some decent traffic?
    How big should the link network be to dominate a given keyword phrases on google?


    Has anyone tryed this yet? Does anyone have some experiences to share?


    We could discuss some of these examples:

    ...............|.Traffic.|.«keyword» in google.|.allinanchor.|.allintitle.|
    keyword1..|.16000.|...........82900...........|........343...|....1780..|
    keyword2..|.12100.|...........43600...........|........731...|....2720..|
    keyword3..|..4400.|...........289000..........|...255000...|......614..|
    keyword4..|..4400.|.............13500..........|.........24...|......437..|

    NB:
    The traffic should be a irrelevant factor in this discussion. Obviously you would go for a keyword with high traffic, low number of sites indexed, low number of allinanchor, and low number of allintitle.

    In example 1 there's high volume indexed pages, low volume with allianchor, and higher volume allintitle.
    In example 2 there's high volume indexed pages, low volume with allianchor, and higher volume allintitle.
    In example 3 there's high volume indexed pages, high volume with allianchor, and low volume allintitle.
    In example 4 there's "high" volume indexed pages, low volume with allianchor, and fearly low volume allintitle.

    With Howies tactic (you generate good strong link juice), I was wondering if a good rule would be that you would have to build half as many "web 2.0" pages (and link them together) as there is "google allintitle results" to get on the first page of the google SERP?

    I know there is possible to dominate a big nich with this tactic. The question is only how many web 2.0 pages would you make to dominate it? How big should the spiderweb be?

    How big would the "web 2.0 spiderweb" be for the examples above (nr.1,2,3 and 4) ???

    Could someone please empty their guts regarding this? Or how they think things are?
    I'm sure I'm not the only one here that is dying to know this?!
     
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  2. WizGizmo

    WizGizmo Super Moderator Staff Member Premium Member

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    Hey norway! . . . How are you doing my friend?

    One thing I know is that Howie uses two links on each of the Web 2.0 properties. One link goes to another Web 2.0 property and one link goes to his money page (affiliate page). All of the sites contain the same title (which is, in-fact, the longtail BUYING keyword phrase)

    Generally, the way he does his link network is as follows:

    - He chooses a large authority Web 2.0 property like Squidoo and every one of the Web 2.0 properties that his "review" article is on links to both Squidoo and his money page. It is a good idea to use an image with Alt text too. You can also make the image clickable and point to your money page.

    - Use as many Web 2.0 properties as you possibly can for the link network. The more popular they are, the better. Wordpress.com, Hubpages, Digg, Tumbler, Twitter, Friendster, Icerocket, Wetpaint, Propeller, and more. Use tags on those sites and ping all of them after posting. Use Pingler or Pingomatic for that.

    - Do some promotional Youtube videos with the same title and tags as the Web 2.0 properties.

    - Submit a very well-written article/publicity release to PRWeb. Cost: Approx $80. Note: You can submit a slight variation of the article to ezinearticles as well.

    The trick is to "piggy-back" off from the authority of these sites by means of backlinks and tags, and then pinging them.

    There is a FREE video that I posted a few days ago on the forum which might help you somewhat:

    See below:
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    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/social-networking-sites/48920-video-howie-schwartz-keyword-research-social-media.html
    And most importantly, experiment. Try different ways of linking, but never use reciprocal links. And as Howie says, "Do just 5% more than anyone else and YOU will win the game."

    Hope that helps some.

    "Wiz"
     
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  3. norway000x

    norway000x Junior Member

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    Hi Wiz. I'm hanging in there...
    You said pretty much everything I know about the subject :)
    I think I've seen almost every video with Howie by now.

    This post were mainly about volume of web 2.0 properties you have to create to knock of competitors and get in front of all the other sites with lots of anchor-links linking to them and to beat all the other sites with the keword-titles.

    I didn't think clearly when I wrote the previous post. I were at work and had to hury the post up :) I see now that I have written something wrong in there about the "good rule" about making half as many web 2.0 sites as there are "allintitle"-results. Hehe... That can't be reight! All sites are individual sites and can only have one title.

    But the question still stands. How to dominate the SERPs for a given high search for keyword phrase.

    It would have to do with anchor-links pointing at a site and the total number of sites with "key pfrase" on them(the results showing up in google).

    Now I've heard that if 30,000 sites shows up for a given "key phrase" it would be possible to knock the boat over and dominate the first page with Howies tactics.

    1. But how many web 2.0 pages would you have to make to accomplish that? (Would that be E.G. half the number of anchor-links that a competitor has?)

    2. So,.. how strong are all these web 2.0 anchor links you create pointing at your site compared to other regular links that you competitor most likly are using?

    - over and out -
     
  4. Yukinari84

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    Hey Norway -

    It's all about backlinks. For a keyword with around 30,000 competing results, you can get into Google page 1 without too much work. In my personal experience, I can have around 7-10 Web 2.0 properties(of course have 1 as my money page with the rest linking to it), and then ping them all and their RSS feeds.

    Then I will spend the the next few days to a week bookmarking my pages. A conservative number is 5-10 links per day, but if you want to be more extreme, just be prepared to have accounts deleted,etc. And use buffer sites!

    Video also gets your sites indexed lighting quick and drives traffic as well, so don't forget video.

    Another tip is to Google your keyword term, grab the URLS for the top 3 sites that are currently ranking for your targeted term, and then use Yahoo Site Explorer to see how many backlinks they have and where they are coming from.
     
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  5. norway000x

    norway000x Junior Member

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    Hello again, Yukinari84. Are you following me today? :) Hehe...

    Thanks for the ratio 30,000:7-10 ... I actually thought it would have been more. Thanks.

    Have you tried battling some bigger numbers with this tactic? For instance a key phrase with 200,000 competitors or something? Would've been interesting to hear if someone tested that.

    Regarding your bookmarking:
    I've also heard this. That you should be careful. But I do not think this is a fact.
    I think the theory behind this is (like Howie says - for a long term site) that you should have consistent link buliging to your site. And that's why you build 5-10 a day.
    I've just read a place (can't remember where) that this small number of links do not hurt you. Google do not bother with this.
    However, A BIG RED FLAG is being raised if you get 3000 backlinks at once.

    So, if your site is not a long term site. I think it would be ok to just bookmark it to 200-300 sites at once and leave it as is.
    (I have not tested this, but I read it somewhere where someone did test this.)
    I also think you could do the same even if it is a long term site, but then you just keep adding content 1 time each week.
    That should be enough to tell google that it is a long term site :)
     
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  6. adamster

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    Hey wiz i made something quick based on the link strategy.
    [​IMG]
     
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  7. foreclosureking

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    Great post! I've been playing around with this system for a while now and I have had some pretty good results so far.
     
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  8. Sweetfunny

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    There's really no number of links that raise a flag, i've built 300k links to a site in 3 months and after the first month it had 8 sitelinks and PR6 plus ranked for everything. On the flip side i've had a site nailed that only got 10k in that time, on-page was clean, valid xHTML, all original content, no ******** outbounds etc so it had to be the links.

    The "type" of links matters far more than volume in my experience, there's many startups that explode overnight on the web and get massive links in no time so it just wouldn't make sense to trigger upon backlink numbers.

    Now with the allinanchor, there's a lot more to it than just "How many Web 2.0 Properties to Dominate". For example, take a phrase with no results and i make 10 pages and fill the top 10. If i get 10 links to each there will be an allinanchor of 100 for the phrase.

    Now if these 100 links came from Pagerank 7 and 8 sites you will need far more effort than if these 100 links came from forum signatures for example to break in to the top 10 and nudge me out.

    Same goes with number of competing pages, doesn't matter if there's 50k results or 500k results it's the top 10 you have to beat. The 50k phrase may be loaded up with high PR .gov and .edu pages and be much harder to crack than the 500k phrase so it's hard to go speculating about ratios or formulas and have it apply across the board.
     
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  9. Yukinari84

    Yukinari84 Elite Member

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    Norway - No I'm not following you;)

    I also play around with the number of links that I throw at my sites per day. The number I set was not a definite number. I just didn't want people reading what I wrote and then thinking they can throw xxx,xxx amount of links at their sites.

    I have thrown tons of links and never been penalized, and then I have thrown just a few and have been flagged.

    what it comes down to is variation and just plain ol' testing.
     
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  10. bianglim

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    This is what it means usng 3-Way Linkings??
     
  11. bhf123

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    wrong OP
     
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    adamster

    That visual schematic is terrific. Thanks for that.
     
  13. digitalblue

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    One of the things I remember Howie saying was that the number of competing pages doesn't matter it's the competition on those pages which is all that counts. So even if the keyword has over 1 million results if the competition on the first page doesn't know anything about on page optimization and off page (link building) you will blow them off the front page easily.

    When it comes to link building Howie starts off small and then scales up each week, slowly and gradually. When i run my campaigns I usually set up about 10 - 20 web 2.0 links on the first day to get my site indexed fast. Then every day I will add between 1 - 3 links and then each week scale up adding a few more links maybe 1 or 2.

    The main trick Howie says is being consistent with your link building which most people are not because...it's boring as hell!

    And that is why he outsources everything.
     
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  14. lildog

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    Yukinari84 - could you explain what buffer sites are and how you use them in the example you gave.

    Thanks,
    lildog
     
  15. Yukinari84

    Yukinari84 Elite Member

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    digitalblue has a great point.
    That's why it's great to have SEO for Firefox.

    It's one of my fav plugins.
     
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    Buffer sites are sites with mediocre content used to separate your spammy and blackhat stuff from your other white hat stuff. If you link to your WH sites from BH ones, then your sites aren't going to be ranking well in google.
     
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  17. norway000x

    norway000x Junior Member

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    Thanks digitalblue. You just completed my puzzle :)

    But an other thing...

    I'm certain you guys know what I'm asking for in an other thread. Could you please head over there and take a look?
    Would be much appreciated to get some feedback on that.

    Here's the link:
    Code:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/51396-rank-keyword-eng-my-native-language-please-help.html
     
  18. maxbht

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    are howies tactics still working. what is about social media slap from google.

    Code:
    http://www.michellemacphearson.com/the-social-media-slap/
     
  19. maxbht

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    If i have keyword with

    google broad results: 375.000
    phrase match: 7.200
    exact match : 379.000

    average monthly search
    from google keyword tool : 3.600

    yahoo site explorer
    first 1,2,3 positions in google have 49,123,63 inlinks

    but only 4 adwords ads

    is this good enough to start dominating with howie tactics
     
  20. mrpatel786

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    They're not as effective since the slap. Google needs more variety of backlinks rather than from just web 2.0 properties (article submission, software directory submissions, etc).