How to get refund from YT PVA Creator - Explode your traffic bot

Hey guys, I told you more than 10 times to wait for refunds some days by the time we load our paypal with money to do refunds ... Why you are very angry and can`t wait 2-3 days ? Do you feel good with flock spirit?

As one of the members here wrote above, we have another tool on sale here and we have no complains what so ever... So where this sudden fear that we are scammers came from? (of course we are pissed off because some users that have no business with our product just inflamed the spirits and everything just escalated from there) .

Our paypal account is not suspended, but I repeat that please wait 2-3 days to refund .. We have told you several times .. Do you think that you can solve something by a lot of offenses?

1. Why are YOU so angry?
2. Who are the WE you are referring to in most of your posts. You and ExpertVision?
3. Would you concur with ExpertVision's statement that the software stopped providing functioning accounts on the 22nd?
4. Any desire to change your stated refund idea (4 days before 29th) in light of point 3?
5. Would you care to explain the different refund policies you have posted?
6. At this late stage, do you think you could have handled the customer relations in a better way? Perhaps with a bit less aggressiveness?
7. So when is the ETA of these refunds you are referring to? "Some days" is a bit vague.

neneaemy said:

Hey guys, I told you more than 10 times to wait for refunds some days by the time we load our paypal with money to do refunds ... Why you are very angry and can`t wait 2-3 days ? Do you feel good with flock spirit?

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They're probably upset that you released software less than a month ago and are getting shitty with them about refunds. You owe everyone that purchased your software a refund, it's not their responsibility to make sure you kept enough money to issue refunds, and it isn't their responsibility to make sure you run your business properly; that's all on you. Your refund policy is null due to the fact that your software stopped functioning shortly after going on sale. You are the one that wrote software that depended on a third party service, of which you didn't license and weren't compliant with their TOS. You're the one that advertised the product, and you're the one responsible for making the situation right for your customers.

You can stop attempting to turn the blame around onto the people that trusted you enough to give you money. That shit don't fly around me. Keep it up and I'll just remove you and your partner.

Within 2-3 days everyone will receive a refund, is that the deal you're proposing?

1. Me and my partner are so angry because this escalated in hours, before we even get the chance to respond in an agresive manner and this "just" a little suspicious (yes we are "paranoic" because prior to lunch an user with great influence here told us that if we launch this kind of this software, he will make everything in his power to take us down when we hit the list trouble)
2. Yes
3. Yes it is true that on 22 for a breaf period of time, the software stopped functioning (textnow has tried his beta interface) then it continue to work untill 25-26 (on those days they started to propagate their new website) . In this time we have launched an update that was already on the way and had nothing to do with the brief interuption of that service. When we have seen the changes we updates also (second time) but the software stopped working few hours later for god (textnow changed was final)
4. We have already comunicated with customers that wanted refunds from 22 and we have refunded those who paid using CC. (we have had enough money in that account) The problem with "4 days before 29th" it's a fake one, no one have even tried to ask if we want to change it, all of you just junked on our throat.
5. The refund policy is the one posted on first post on thread , the one that blackhit approved
6. Yes maybe we could but you have to understand that we are in a huge presure to find a solution and when this thing escalated in a metter of hours from nothing, we just could not stand it (after nights with 3-4 hours of sleep and countless trial and error). We have asked only for some patience to get a solution but instead we have seen our names stained although we don`t sell only this product and no one has complained before this madness
7. We think that in 2-3 days will have enough money in our paypal to solve all all complains. (in fact the think that bothers me the most and makes me most angry is that if you count there are only 5-6 customers that have made the complains on the thread and on paypal and they started all this HUGE fight. On top of that there are some "bystanders" that just love to get in to a "good fight" and flame the spirits more. This is why we are angry and act like this on the thread

ThreadKiller said:

1. Why are YOU so angry?
2. Who are the WE you are referring to in most of your posts. You and ExpertVision?
3. Would you concur with ExpertVision's statement that the software stopped providing functioning accounts on the 22nd?
4. Any desire to change your stated refund idea (4 days before 29th) in light of point 3?
5. Would you care to explain the different refund policies you have posted?
6. At this late stage, do you think you could have handled the customer relations in a better way? Perhaps with a bit less aggressiveness?
7. So when is the ETA of these refunds you are referring to? "Some days" is a bit vague.

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We stated in to the first posts that our software is based on a third party service and that it could stop at any moment and we are not responsable for that. So anyone that bought could read that in our post. That was talked with blackhit and was approved. When the software was up and runing anyone could make enough accounts to recover the money they spent on the software in 2 days at most (if they buy the accounts for third party they will spend that amount of money). So ... we stated on our page on the thread that our responsability is if the tool stop working when they buy it.

We are not responsable if people bought it to keep it for later use or just to make 2 accounts a day. This is not a misstreating of our customers. We have been honest with them from the begining. The only problem is that we did not stop to sell the product in the day that textnow made it's first changes. And those are the customers (5-6) that have bought it and now want and deserve a refund.

bz said:

They're probably upset that you released software less than a month ago and are getting shitty with them about refunds. You owe everyone that purchased your software a refund, it's not their responsibility to make sure you kept enough money to issue refunds, and it isn't their responsibility to make sure you run your business properly; that's all on you. Your refund policy is null due to the fact that your software stopped functioning shortly after going on sale. You are the one that wrote software that depended on a third party service, of which you didn't license and weren't compliant with their TOS. You're the one that advertised the product, and you're the one responsible for making the situation right for your customers.

You can stop attempting to turn the blame around onto the people that trusted you enough to give you money. That shit don't fly around me. Keep it up and I'll just remove you and your partner.

Within 2-3 days everyone will receive a refund, is that the deal you're proposing?

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And what about a solution for those of us whom aren't eligible for a refund?

Abstroose said:

And what about a solution for those of us whom aren't eligible for a refund?

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For those of you that are not eligible for a refund we have written on the first post on our thread that we will try to find a solution to make our tool work again. And we will! We know that there are few people that have uncovered a way to cheat the google account creation so we are actively searching for a hole in googles armor. We are also motivated to do updates by the fact that no one have a tool to do PVA accounts at the moment launched for the public ... we have also learned the lesson and we will not show the new solution in the updates, the tool will work behind the new interface...

We have promissed that we will try to provide updates when we can find a solution! All that bought have read that on our first post and when we answered to this question several times on the thread... Nothing less, nothing more...

Well here is the thing, anyone that bought this software from the 20th or so onwards did not even get 2 days worth of running. None of your customers expected a software that would be able to run for months, just long enough to generate 300-400 accounts to cover the cost of the software (I buy PVA's for $20 per 100). There are no drama queens among your customers. Everybody that bought this knew that it would not last forever, however, we did not expect something that was broken from the beginning.

Now here is the thing. If one like me bought the tool on the 23rd, then one faced a software that was broken from the the first second, as confirmed by your partner on the 24th

ExpertVision said:

It seems that in the last 2 days google has changed the tags in the interface and the bot fail to finish many accounts but will save them as ready ... I'm working on an update right now. I hope it will be ready tomorrow

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Now the software was not finished the day after. It was finished on the 26th. And briefly after that you confirmed:

neneaemy said:

Hey guys, we have just been hit with the change in phone numbers. The phone numbers site changed completely this morning : the interface, the logins are completely new. All the phone accounts made before don't work and the verification process in to the bot is not working

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And this was also confirmed by ExpertVision on the 28th when you released yet another update:

ExpertVision said:

As you already know, few hours after releasing our last update, the site that we use to generate phone numbers for the verification process has changed the structure and interface

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Conclusion. Anyone that bought this software after the 21st were not able to run it for more than a couple of hours maximum, and then only if they ran the software within approximately an hour of your updates, and only if they had not burned all their private proxies generating accounts that were wrongly listed as functioning, when they in fact were invalid. In light of this, you should extend your refund-phase to be a lot more generous than the 25th. Now I don't care about the lousy $67 that I paid for this, I am losing more by spending time chatting about this crap. It's the principle of the thing.

And I have written above that we will refund from 21 ... but no one have bothered to ask us that ... you just started to trow with things on us... we have answered to most of you on paypal that we will refund you because you bought on 21... so I don't understand why those people that we have talked with on paypal just show up here and ask if they are going to be paied if they bought on 21 or 22?

Sorry, I did not see that part. I thought you meant 25th when you wrote in the previous thread "We have decided to refund all our customers that bought this tool 4 days prior to the date that textnow stopped working (29 nov.) ."

But if you have the intention of refunding everyone that bought from the 21st and onward, that is indeed an honourable thing to do.

neneaemy said:

And I have written above that we will refund from 21 ... but no one have bothered to ask us that ... you just started to trow with things on us... we have answered to most of you on paypal that we will refund you because you bought on 21... so I don't understand why those people that we have talked with on paypal just show up here and ask if they are going to be paied if they bought on 21 or 22?

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Anyone offering a refund period of 1 to 2 days is simply a scammer. There's no other way I can put it. I feel so strongly about this I had to make a post. Even if people are technically "not eligible for a refund", they should still receive a refund if your piece of software no longer works.

It's like creating a product that later gets recalled. The people that were using the product that is now defective aren't ineligible because they didn't know there was going to be a problem in the future.

Do you think a single person would have purchased had you said $97 for one month six days (throwing a random time period out there) of a YT PVA bot!

While I know you want as much money as you can and I'm sure you have a long story of how you need it to support your family, please do the right thing and refund their money.

We do not have any "story" and we did not claimed to have one. We have posted our refund policy IN THE FIRST POST of our thread .So ... no one forced anyone to buy. Stop flame the spirits more if you don`t know the situation.

KraftyKyle said:

Anyone offering a refund period of 1 to 2 days is simply a scammer. There's no other way I can put it. I feel so strongly about this I had to make a post. Even if people are technically "not eligible for a refund", they should still receive a refund if your piece of software no longer works.

It's like creating a product that later gets recalled. The people that were using the product that is now defective aren't ineligible because they didn't know there was going to be a problem in the future.

Do you think a single person would have purchased had you said $97 for one month six days (throwing a random time period out there) of a YT PVA bot!

While I know you want as much money as you can and I'm sure you have a long story of how you need it to support your family, please do the right thing and refund their money.

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neneaemy said:

We stated in to the first posts that our software is based on a third party service and that it could stop at any moment and we are not responsable for that. So anyone that bought could read that in our post. That was talked with blackhit and was approved. When the software was up and runing anyone could make enough accounts to recover the money they spent on the software in 2 days at most (if they buy the accounts for third party they will spend that amount of money). So ... we stated on our page on the thread that our responsability is if the tool stop working when they buy it.

We are not responsable if people bought it to keep it for later use or just to make 2 accounts a day. This is not a misstreating of our customers. We have been honest with them from the begining. The only problem is that we did not stop to sell the product in the day that textnow made it's first changes. And those are the customers (5-6) that have bought it and now want and deserve a refund.

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From the terms in your BST:

neneaemy said:

REFUND POLICY: If you buy 100 US PVA accounts with, let's say, 20$/100 accounts than in ONE DAY with this software that run in multiple instances you can make 2-3 times the value of this software so we don't do refunds after days of using it! that is stated in our EULA on our webpage and on the install process. Guys WE DO REFUNDS! but only for BROKEN SOFTWARE (if when you buy it it does not work - youtube has changed the algorithms) not for you not being able to use the software due to bad proxies and not for motivations like : "I don't like it anymore", you have the demo movie on the site, you have watched it before you pressed the BUY button so you know how the software look and what it does.

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There is nothing in the pre-sales about being reliant on 3rd party services, thus there is no pre-sales declaration of the risk being on the buyer. You didn't cover any of that, you just tried to hide behind a no refund policy and that's it. The first time the concern is raised properly is a day before the first time it stopped working. Your software worked for a little over a week, and then it intermittently worked a couple days after that, and was shortly thereafter completely nonfunctional. If blackhit can confirm that he approved the thread with foreknowledge of these risks then I can't demand you refund everyone. If that was never discussed, you're on the hook with owing refunds to everyone who wants one.

I have just sent you a PM with a printscr with the message from blackhit where he asked us exactly this question and we have answered exacly as we answered you: if youtube/textnow stop working we will try to find another solution and we will update when we will find one and we also have sent the refund policy that you don't like... All that was mandatory before the thread was aproved! I was under the impresion that that are the rules to post in the sales section ... of course the moderator that aproved the thread knows about the content of the site, the functionality of the software, the pros and cons of it ... we have had a week of messages and tests with blackhit before it was aproved! This refund policie and those risks that are assumed by customers when they buy was approved and we do not hide behind it... it is the only refund policy anyone can offer to a tool that risk to stop working in any second ... this tool deals with google and not with some small site ...EVERYONE knows already that google changes very often and watch for all atempts to full them... no one can guarantee that a tool that automate google will work one day after it is released and anyone that want a tool of this kind know that fact!

neneaemy said:

I have just sent you a PM with a printscr with the message from blackhit where he asked us exactly this question and we have answered exacly as we answered you: if youtube/textnow stop working we will try to find another solution and we will update when we will find one and we also have sent the refund policy that you don't like... All that was mandatory before the thread was aproved! I was under the impresion that that are the rules to post in the sales section ... of course the moderator that aproved the thread knows about the content of the site, the functionality of the software, the pros and cons of it ... we have had a week of messages and tests with blackhit before it was aproved! This refund policie and those risks that are assumed by customers when they buy was approved and we do not hide behind it... it is the only refund policy anyone can offer to a tool that risk to stop working in any second ... this tool deals with google and not with some small site ...EVERYONE knows already that google changes very often and watch for all atempts to full them... no one can guarantee that a tool that automate google will work one day after it is released and anyone that want a tool of this kind know that fact!

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Refund policy "assumed" by the customer? You're right... any time I buy something online I should just assume it's going to stop working and the creator is going to refuse to refund my money. NO. What you're saying is correct and just, if YouTube has an update and your software no longer works, it makes sense for you to not offer a refund right away since most bugs/updates can be fixed/worked around. However, if it's something you can't fix within a reasonable amount of time (a couple of days, max one week) then your software becomes useless at no fault on the buyer. A respectable person would take the responsibility for not being to upkeep his own software and refund the money to those who wanted it.

That being said, let me reiterate. I am on your side when it comes to you should have time to fix the issues. There's always a need to update so when things go wrong an update is needed. I get that. We get that. But when your software doesn't work for an extended amount of time, that hints at the fact that it's not going to be working any time soon and would give me the feeling that by refusing a refund, you are simply buying time to make it as far away as possible and with as much money as you can.

And I have written above that we will refund from 21 ...

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Nov 24, 2012 Payment To Lascan Ioan Emilian

Just give me my refund, (Unique Transaction ID #4VL35698R5710641R)

*This was my first buy in BHW - what a bad start for me.

cost me 200++ in my local currency. I bought it for $67 - there was a sale on his signature.

Dispute

If you readed this thread you saw that we will refund you ... Please wait

chibobski84 said:

Just give me my refund, (Unique Transaction ID #4VL35698R5710641R)

*This was my first buy in BHW - what a bad start for me.

cost me 200++ in my local currency. I bought it for $67 - there was a sale on his signature.

I will open a dispute in 24 hours if you are not replying to this.

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And what comes with those who doesn't do IM everyday because need to study a lot for university and thought that this discount the 97$ will not remain long.. Man I have bought this programme 14th of november but I didnt use it until 18th when I noticed that it had major problems... very annoying ones and hoped that the next update will solve those and then when you released it I could use it for 1 day. So this is very strange that you only refund those who have bought it on the 21th.. Why would I need to use it as soon as possible when I buy something???? So please refund me as well. My Transaction ID: 6M655677VN773504V

Sorry for double post :S I can't delete this :S