How the hell do you get a job as a developer?

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AutomationIsKey said:
I like this response, it’s truthful and to the point. I sort of agree with you, and with that I’ve been wondering what other paths I can go to potentially make revenue.

I thought about things such as welding, opening a physical store, creating a business that specializes in niche products.

There’s just too many overwhelming factors.
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Software engineering is like 20 - 30 years experience. Lifelong career you can develop at home.

This is when it gets interesting. I heard.

First 5 - 7 years is just getting dirt work done, many times underpaid...

So I would be careful.

Some people (me included) are shocked to see so little money after 5+ years into it.

If you develop a well working, engineered project at home, you can start thinking further.

If you just throw a bunch of websites based on CMS, I would rethink if you're really interested.
Some will find purpose in writing WordPress plugins... not me certainly.

You need to understand your path and make it as well defined as your next hour.

For me after 10 years of doing bunch of different things and experiments I know automating things is my key to success.

I just can't stop it. And it feels so natural to me. I've been automating things since childhood.
 
reaaski said:
@BlurryBit how does "everyone" gets these jobs?! Can I find them on the streets? Are they so easy to pick up?
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Depends. Remote jobs are usually harder to get. Physical jobs are easier, atleast in my country.

In my own experience (been grinding since 2007), wp jobs are not worth it anymore, atleast in terms of salary. Tech like react and similar are worth more. Languages like rust and go are even more “desirable”.

Think of it like this: If what you learned was easy, then others would be able to learn it as well.
 
BlurryBit said:
In my own experience (been grinding since 2007), wp jobs are not worth it anymore, atleast in terms of salary. Tech like react and similar are worth more. Languages like rust and go are even more “desirable”.
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I been grinding (or exploring) since 2019, so that's a tad different. :p

I entered when React and Angela got popular. Work in that was a complete cancer.

Now I focus 100% on typescript / node.js. Tried C# but that's like more complicated node/ts.

Tried Laravel (and Livewire), oh Oh (WHY)^2!

This is the sweetspot for me in all that tech overflow.

6 years pulling my hair left and right, thinking I need to know ABC like study some complex algorithms, ML and all that stuff.

NO. You need to FOCUS on one thing.

It's like a gym... you need to hyper-focus on one goal - physique / strength and sacrifice some stuff for the goal. You can't do 2 complex goals at the time.

You cannot write super-pro queries to database and apis + complex algorithms at the same time. You need to choose one specialization. Leverage your strong sides.

Yes, you can be a full-stack with $10 an hour, but that's not gonna feed anyone probably and also tire you from all that constant task switching and context switching.

Most power you'll get from storage / db operations and backend operations. Plus connect it with some infrastructure on large scale.

This is what all internet is basically.

That's when you feel what coding can do. Frontend is nothing compared to that.

When you get the idea of how to code Google from scratch this is when you get the chills.
 
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reaaski said:
I been grinding (or exploring) since 2019, so that's a tad different. :p

I entered when React and Angela got popular. Work in that was a complete cancer.

Now I focus 100% on typescript / node.js. Tried C# but that's like more complicated node/ts.

Tried Laravel (and Livewire), oh Oh (WHY)^2!

This is the sweetspot for me in all that tech overflow.

6 years pulling my hair left and right, thinking I need to know ABC like study some complex algorithms, ML and all that stuff.

NO. You need to FOCUS on one thing.

It's like a gym... you need to hyper-focus on one goal - physique / strength and sacrifice some stuff for the goal. You can't do 2 complex goals at the time.

You cannot write super-pro queries to database and apis + complex algorithms at the same time. You need to choose one specialization. Leverage your strong sides.

Yes, you can be a full-stack with $10 an hour, but that's not gonna feed anyone probably and also tire you from all that constant task switching and context switching.

Most power you'll get from storage / db operations and backend operations. Plus connect it with some infrastructure on large scale.

This is what all internet is basically.

That's when you feel what coding can do. Frontend is nothing compared to that.

When you get the idea of how to code Google from scratch this is when you get the chills.
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Well it does get easier as you become more experienced. Learning a new tech stack doesn’t take more than a month .

Speaking of ts, absolutely. If you want to play saf(er) in js, you need strict typing. Laravel, not a personal favourite. I grew up in yii side of things, which offers the same functionalities. Yes C# will probably fwtch a better salary package. It’s not difficult learn multiple programming languages and frameworks. Often times i end up using the same patterns in different frameworks. The patterns don’t need any more learning.

Coming to pricing, learning something that is desirable and difficult to learn should fetch a bit more.


At the end of the day one has to be passionate about programming for being a better programmer.
 
BlurryBit said:
Well it does get easier as you become more experienced. Learning a new tech stack doesn’t take more than a month .

Speaking of ts, absolutely. If you want to play saf(er) in js, you need strict typing. Laravel, not a personal favourite. I grew up in yii side of things, which offers the same functionalities. Yes C# will probably fwtch a better salary package. It’s not difficult learn multiple programming languages and frameworks. Often times i end up using the same patterns in different frameworks. The patterns don’t need any more learning.


At the end of the day one has to be passionate about programming for being a better programmer.
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What the problem is?

You need to focus on doing one tech stack for so long until you understand most concepts in your tech stack.

Then you could switch. But for less than 10 years experience, it's a major pitfall.
 
While I must say I've started in a much better period than now. Having technical skills is going to do half the work especially without a college degree.
You need to be confident and and show how passionate you are this will be your main selling point.
 
reaaski said:
What the problem is?

You need to focus on doing one tech stack for so long until you understand most concepts in your tech stack.

Then you could switch. But for less than 10 years experience, it's a major pitfall.
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yepp that’s always true for every skill. I assumed this any way :D
 
Don't be a developer for someone, create something by yourself.

In my opinion there is so much more money to be made just by thinking and building your own stuff.
 
Emit said:
Don't be a developer for someone, create something by yourself.

In my opinion there is so much more money to be made just by thinking and building your own stuff.
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It's true if you don't have experience.

Once you get experience, you can build a team or share parts of company with some boss.

Junior - mid dev is hell!!! You're like nobody, easily replecable, doing a very hard, dirty job.
 
reaaski said:
It's true if you don't have experience.

Once you get experience, you can build a team or share parts of company with some boss.

Junior - mid dev is hell!!! You're like nobody, easily replecable, doing a very hard, dirty job.
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Well, perhaps.

I can say about myself, I probably wouldn't get hired by any company for a serious role in any programming related position and I am doing very, very well on my own by thinking outside the box..
I think unless you have very strong experience, portfolio etc, it would be best to focus on your own venture and make money through that, while both building a portfolio and experience
 
Emit said:
I can say about myself, I probably wouldn't get hired by any company for a serious role in any programming related position and I am doing very, very well on my own by thinking outside the box..
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Yeah, chasing these 6 figure careers can be a suicide...
It's like a slavery sometimes.
 
reaaski said:
Yeah, chasing these 6 figure careers can be a suicide...
It's like a slavery sometimes.
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I can get it when money is not the goal, even in that case, if you're not enough, keep building and you will get there eventually.

I find myself speaking to Meta and big tech devs just through my small venture, I believe when I will be good enough I won't need to apply through conventional means, I probably would get offered such a job through these I've interacted with before
 
having a goo portfolio and knowing your languages.. goo logical projects that make sense.. not calculators lol
 
GenesisOne said:
Learn SAP - plenty of well paid jobs from clients of the platform
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Can you tell us more about it?

It looks something a large enterprise would use.

Why not just learn Java?

Why not learn Google Cloud infrastructure / microservices / kubernetes instead?

I'm not a fan of Microsoft, so Google first instead of Azure. Amazon is not my thing too.
 
If you are from USA - try Upwork...
Wages for USA employees are much higher and there are many vacancies available only for US employees.
Build a good profile, earn badges, pass tests and do your best completing tasks and approximately in 6-8 month you will be a target for HR offering you a fulltime vacancies.
 
AutomationIsKey said:
I feel like unless I go to college, I have no shot at getting a remote work from home job as a developer despite me having numerous skills. I am passionate about PHP, JS, HTML / CSS, Front-End and can do almost anything on WordPress + willing to learn other languages. I am from the United States. I've been posting applications on all major websites for hiring but my applications nearly get denied immediately, and rarely do I ever make it to interview.

(Automated Declines) so what am I supposed to do? Up until now I've built my own sites, and grown my own income base this way, with the occasional freelance project. But I just had a baby.. I am trying to make something more stable, and everyone is declining me without seeing my skills, even tho I've curated a portfolio of 20-30 sites that are online, and active that I did the work for. I feel like this would be a good forum to ask people, as some of you guys maybe have been in this same boat before.
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Since when have you been applying to jobs? The US job market is terrible right now, tons of people laid off in tech, the market is flooded with qualified applicants.

Also, what do you mean by instant rejection? Usually when you put in an application, it takes a while to get either a rejection or an interview.

Finally, how you put your resume together plays a vital role. If you need help, you can DM me your resume and I'll take a look.
 
I have been working as a software developer for about a year now. Before that, I was doing lots of freelancing and building my LLC and portfolio. However the most important thing for me was making personal connections. I heard about the opening through a coworker of a coworker. Ask around your current office and workplace and continue to meet people. Having a foot in the door sets you miles apart from other applicants.
 
AutomationIsKey said:
I feel like unless I go to college, I have no shot at getting a remote work from home job as a developer despite me having numerous skills. I am passionate about PHP, JS, HTML / CSS, Front-End and can do almost anything on WordPress + willing to learn other languages. I am from the United States. I've been posting applications on all major websites for hiring but my applications nearly get denied immediately, and rarely do I ever make it to interview.

(Automated Declines) so what am I supposed to do? Up until now I've built my own sites, and grown my own income base this way, with the occasional freelance project. But I just had a baby.. I am trying to make something more stable, and everyone is declining me without seeing my skills, even tho I've curated a portfolio of 20-30 sites that are online, and active that I did the work for. I feel like this would be a good forum to ask people, as some of you guys maybe have been in this same boat before.
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