# How Much Do You Charge Offline Clients?

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I need some advice. I've pretty much got some solid SEO and have some pretty strong links to rank potential clients. I'm trying to develop my offline seo business but I have some important questions. For offline, what do you charge your clients and have you had clients say that's too much?? Do you charge them per keyword they want to rank for or a set number of keywords? ex 99\$/keyword or something like that?

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You first value how much profit they can make from one client. After you estimate how many clients they will get per month if they're ranked on the first page. Finally you do basic math and you charge around 10% of that.

e.g An orthodontist gets 4 clients from you per month. Each client is valued to \$2500 profit.

4 * \$2500 = \$10 000
10% * \$10 000 = \$1 000
(If you want to close fast and especially in this current economic, I would charge \$700-800 myself and upsell him later once I've delivered the results)

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that sounds interesting I never thought about charging a % of their profit. that sounds like the best way to go imo

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How would you calculate how many clients they would get a month from being on the first page?

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Guesstimate the conversion rate from the traffic estimated by Google's kw tool.

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You could calculate the CTR from that but how the conversion rate?

If 10 different websites get 1000 visits a month to there website each websites conversion rate will be different.

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I think this is a good approach as you can explain your customer why you are charging this price and show them how much money their investment can bring back to them

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The honest approach is offering them to do it for free, and then making a deal with them on getting a % of what they make from you.

Everyone else who charges advance fee is just a scammer and loser 99% of seo companies never deliver.

By getting a certain % for bringing them customers you also earn a lot more, only if you can deliver results of course which most "seo experts" cant cos they failed with their own websites and now think they´re experts when the fact is they need to pay the bills for their shitty apartments but this will never change cos they are just scammers and they will always live hand to mouth until they start bringing RESULTS.

Look at Taktical he has not one top10 position... Complete joke.

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I have two ways I charge my clients: 1) 20% commission on any sales through the net. or 2) Fixed fee of about 50% of 1 sale. I ask them how much they make off one new sale, and then price it through that. For example, one new client for a law firm could be \$5k, so I would charge \$2500/mo.

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How would to track the sales if it wasn't a shopping cart system? They could easily lie?

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That is an issue that still bothers me. Two ways of dealing with it: 1) Track a promotional code or offer. Everytime a customer brings in a special coupon, you know where it came from, 2) Trust the business owner to be honest. If they want the leads to continue to come in, they generally will be honest.

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Examples:
\$100.00 - Apple Packge
\$500.00 - Banana Package
\$1000.00 - Grape Package
\$2000.00 - Lemon Package
\$3000.00/Month - Watermelon Package

I usually give my clients a similar list of prices and see how much value they'd offer for what I proposed. Which is first page ranking/SEO etc.. Most people don't understand anything about it and it may seem like a sophisticated concept to most businesses/people.

That way, my clients choose how much they want to pay and usually I'm satisfied.

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Good luck closing a high value prospect like an orthodontist or a real estate broker with a revenue share model. They will never want to.

You also sound like someone who got scammed alot by poor third world country SEO company. ALL the REAL and BEST SEO companies ask for advance fee because they actually value their services. It is also a way to know your client won't bail out on you after 1 month while you're still working on his site.

Oh, you wanna know a fun story too? I know a guy that selled SEO services for \$1k+/month and he DIDN'T even have a website! But guess what, they're still his clients after 7 years. You just had some bad experiences with horrible SEO companies but don't generalize because it makes our reputation bad.

Btw, Taktikal is not a joke and I read his thread and I never saw him saying he didn't have any of his client's website in top 10.

Why would they lie to you about it? If your client is lying to you about the sales you're making him you should just get out of this wrong business relationship and find a new one. It is just a big headache to stay with him when you could be with someone who appreciate your services and want to work with you to bring more sales (and more \$ for you since this is the time where you upsell your other services like video ranking, etc.).

You should still monitor his website activity with Google Analytics has a back-up tho.

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I was more interested in how to charge in a specific niche coupled with how much traffic they got.

Ie A local lawyer in a big city charged x\$ but what is the cap on the searches per month on that?

This was just the ticket for me and I appreciate it guys. After all you can't charge a lawyer \$5000 per month if the keyword target only gets 2 searches....a couple hundred a month though...now that makes more sense.

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Use the past to judge the conversion rate of the website. Surely they have some kind of tracking device. Guesstimate how much traffic they can get if optimized well enough. Then use past conversion rates to make the price.

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Only eCommerce websites built with tracking implemented will have a tracking device wont they?

e.g. a company who don't sell online and sell and there location would be impossible to track. Also a new website that has no past history would be impossible to track the conversion rate :/

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Even though i actually haven't implemented this yet, another member on a thread recommended using this site: hxxp://grasshopper.com/and setting up a call forwarding service with it. To be more specific, he said to get a custom number from hxxp://grasshopper.com/, setup a call forwarding to whoever your client is, and place that number on the clients website (after seeking permission of course). This way you'll be able to track how many calls are coming from the site - through your number - i.e how many people you're referring to them.

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I track one of my client's conversion rate by offering a coupon that they can only get from the website. Then I divide the number of coupons they recieve every month from their brick and mortar location with the number of visitors from Google. It's not a 100% accurate way of getting a good conversion rate because obviously there are many other factors that come into play, but it does let me know if I am doing my job or not.

True a new website with no past history wouldn't help determine a price to set. However, there are other ways to determine pricing like hours spent per month, difficulty of ranking the keywords, or even just marking up the outsourcing costs of SEO.

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This is the best advice. Figure out what one client is worth first. Then you can talk traffic and other things. If you discover that a client is worth \$30.00. Move on. Find niches where one client is worth \$10,000 or better still \$100,000.

I have several clients who pay me well over \$1,000 a month who don't make a sale for several months. But they pay because they want to be ranked high when that individual is looking (using the correct keywords).

One client in particular provides a service where he charges anywhere from \$250,000 - \$1 million. That's on the low end. He doesn't mind if we go months and months without generating a sale. But when he landed a sale through a lead my work generated for him...bet your SEO-building-butt that he was more than happy to sign on for another year.

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