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How much competition before you have a good keyword?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by rnc505, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. rnc505

    rnc505 Regular Member

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    Can someone give me the run down on their opinion of when to use a keyword based on its competition?

    I have found several 700k competition keywords and I know all about long tail keywords..... Of course I would also use long tailed keywords and a keyword rich domain, but can you just tell me like:

    1 - 10k competition = golden
    10k - 200k comp. = newbies its possible
    200k - 500k comp. = newbies beware
    500k - 750k comp. = newsbies impossible, masters think about it
    750k - 1.5m comp = masters think twice

    etc etc...

    Thanks everyone!
     
  2. metaldragon

    metaldragon Regular Member

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    # of competition is not that important. Can rank for a term with 200 million comp Easy if you actually know how to look at the comp and know proper seo.
     
  3. antsaoo

    antsaoo Supreme Member

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    Focus on the sites on top 3 and front pages. some sites might have 100 mil competition but probably first 2 -4 pages are actually optimized for it and even then they might be just some articles on high PR website.
     
  4. rnc505

    rnc505 Regular Member

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    well of course through both white/black hat link building, keyword density, and of course you will never outrank an Apple, Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, Dogpile, Adobe, Youtube, Logitech, etc (big companies).... but I mean for example:

    You google "maltese puppies" (no quotes)...

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    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=maltese+puppies&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
    Competition = 882k
    nice amount of adwords advertisers
    first result is a nobody website
    maltesepuppies.ws is open
    and I make a blog about maltese puppies and after several weeks, have over 30 - 50+ articles, mostly longtailed keywords.... but can I rank for the main keyword: maltese puppies?

    is 882k too much? too little? just right? (lol)

    with those (or similiar) parameters, what should I look for (obveously 1 - 300k is outta the question)...
     
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  5. natatasha32

    natatasha32 Registered Member

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    To RNC505:

    Here's a little trick I use to determine if I can rank on page 1 for a particular keyword. This should be your goal too!

    Go to google search box and type allintitle:"keyword". For example, if your keyword is "dog training in Chicago:, type in the following: allintitle:"dog training in Chicago". The resulting competition is the TRUE number that you are competing against to reach page 1 of Google.

    Next, check the number of backlinks of each of the 10 websites that are on page 1 for your keyword. Achieve greater backlinks from high-page rank sites and you can easily be on page 1 for your chosen keyword.

    This is how I consistently rank on page 1 for competitive keywords and rake in the big money!
     
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  6. rnc505

    rnc505 Regular Member

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    Okay, when I type:

    allintitle:"maltese puppies" there are about 35k competition... which is VERY enticing.... So, only website with the keyword in their title Truly have the ability to rank highest (backlinks and seo all the same).... instead of the keyword just being on the page.... GREAT HELP natatasha32... and then i'm gonna use the whole digg comment concept for keywords.... GREAT (if anyone wants "maltese puppies" take it.... I don't want it cuz of lack of long tailed keywords, but be my guest and use the domain idea and keyword)
     
  7. small_town_boy

    small_town_boy Power Member

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    Is this with brackets or without?
     
  8. silvermario

    silvermario Regular Member

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    This is exactly what i'm doing but i type it without the quotes
    allintitle:keyword phrase

    When i want just take a quick look at the competitiveness of the first page for a given keyword i turn on SeoQuake and note the average PageRank of the first 10 websites, if it's below 3 it should be a piece of cake to outrank them. If its more than 3 then it could be though.
    Remember that it's just for taking the first look because PR is not the best indicator because of the long update waiting time.

    p.s. if you're using SeoQuake turn off in the preferences menu the Google links and Yahoo links/ linkdomain/linkdomain2 parsing so you don't get a ban.