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How many uses from a Spinnable Article?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Windmill, Mar 21, 2012.

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What is the best option for filling 700+ web 2.0 posts with content?

  1. Spun Articles (how many?)

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  2. Scraped Articles with a quick auto spin

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  3. Other (please elaborate)

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  1. Windmill

    Windmill Supreme Member

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    As the question says - how many uses do you think you can get from a spinnable article? I have a total of 700 web 2.0 properties that need to be created. Original content is NOT an option. What do you think is the best option here:
    • Scrape 700 articles, and run a auto spin in TBS
    • Purchase X number of spinned articles - and if so, how many?
    • A bix of both (please elaborate)
    Right now I'm leaning towards the spun articles, but I just don't know how many to purchase because I don't know how many times we can feasibly get away with spun content :/
     
  2. Scripteen

    Scripteen Elite Member

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    After the latest panda update I wold opt for the 2nd one (manually spun articles on both sentence and word levels) if unique content is not an option.
     
  3. Kitsune

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    Scrape as much content as you can (30 000 words would be good). Then use crazyfix's content mixer (search for it ). It will randomly mix sentences together. After that use batch spin feature in Spinnerchief to spin each article even more. This way you will get quite unique articles. You should keep in mind that that keyword density might be a problem - some articles might have 1% or less keyword density while others might have 5%.
     
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  4. shakemelikeapig

    shakemelikeapig Junior Member

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    To spin a article is not a good option for article submission because unique and fresh content is the first love of Google bots and it quickly indexed and improve ranks. So choose between quality and quantity link. ​
     
  5. warjam1945

    warjam1945 Junior Member

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    Noob questions!

    So having the same article on the money site and the 20 web2.0 is bad then?

    would it need to be unique for each what about the anchor text?
     
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    Stu784 Regular Member

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    Would you mind sharing the thread with CrazyFix's mixing tool - I can't seem to find it...
     
  7. apoorv

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    I'd lean towards a mix of both but that's because of the sheer volume of project.

    Scrape as much as possible, mix the sentences, spin them and submit. Having said that, content spun *really* well, a few times on the sentences, then as many words as possible can be readable and yet produce decent quality (readable). It is super time consuming and frustrating though.

    You can easily get 30-35 really unique variations out of such a spun article and buy about 10 or so of them. I wouldn't use an article more than 30-35 times because the uniqueness is guaranteed to take a hit. That is when we're talking about articles spun really well.

    Articles that are spun on the sentence level twice aren't going to cut it. So, as far as I'm concerned, I'd go for a mix of both.
     
  8. Scripteen

    Scripteen Elite Member

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    This is a black hat forum buddy. People here care about money than feeding google's bots.
     
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    acotut Elite Member

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    Exactly.Just take each unique article from your website,and then spin it trough TBS (auto spin).Export 80 Articles out of each unique one and then start posting.I'm seeing good results out of this.
     
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    i chose second, its by far the quickest and I hate spinning stuff by hand
     
  12. LinkMaister

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    You have to use spun content. MANUALLY spun! Here's the kicker:

    If you spin on one single level (just words) you can generate over 1000 articles from one spintax, however the uniqueness will be around 40% only. Even if you generate just 20 articles uniquenes is still just 40%. In order to increase uniqueness you have to spin multi-level, there's no other way. If you spin on 3 levels - paragraph, sentence, words - you can get in the 70-90% uniqueness range. This takes time and skill to do it right. Spinning is an art and I can tell you from experience most people don't know how to spin multi-level properly. There's somethign that happens when you spin multi-level that will give you same bad uniqueness of only around 40% if you don't do it right. When you spin at paragraph or sentence level you don't just use synonyms of the stuff int he original sentence because that produces same output as if you had it just 1 level. Don't know how to explain this better, i hope you understand what i mean. You basically have to rewrite the whole paragraph or sentence in a very different way. For example you can change the idea completely. For a paragraph that basically states that "X is a great pill to loos weight and make you look better" you would rewrite it into something along the lines of "If you're not feeling confident because you're over-weight, X can help you loose weight and feel more confident". In one paragraph the idea is you don't look good, in the other is you don't feel confident. Both can be interchanged.

    Also keep in mind that all spinnign software reports an incorrect uniqueness. If the software says it is 100% spun it could in practice be just 30% unique when you spin it. Why? Because the algorithm they use is not the right one. The right way to compute uniqueness is to compare every single generated article with every other generated article using an algorithm similar to copyscape. I literally compared 500 articles generated from same spintax (single level) and another batch multi-level and the percentages mentioned above are the conclusion I reached.

    If you want to do it well, you have to spin multi-level and do it manually. I know people who can generate unreadable content that passes google's automatic filters but he won't tell me how he does it. I only know it is pretty advanced stuff because he told me some stuff and i didn't understood a single thing lol. Personally though I don't want to risk having sites penalized so I prefer to spin manually and multi-level.

    Hope this helps
     
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    I too can't find it. I even searched through CrazyFixs' thread page
     
  14. flist

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    You guys need to learn that you can search this forum through Google a lot quicker than you can with the built-in search. ;)

    I don't take credit for this, it's from liviug's thread. I just found it.

    Content Mixer

    http://www.mediafire.com/?j41kwovi6daot5a

     
  15. Windmill

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    Right now, I am going with vehem's article spinning service and purchasing 3 articles. 1 article is spun 5 times at the sentence level, and the last two are spun 7 times at the sentence level. That is like, $130. But the articles are actually extremely readable and would pass as actual content. He gave me an example of one of his previous clients. I spun it and searched with the text on plagium. No results found. Thats awesome :D
     
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    Highly unlikely. In fact near on impossible. They may be unique from the original but they won't be unique from each other. If they're not unique from each other what is the point in them? You are creating duplicate content even before it's published!
     
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    I don't understand spinning. But I will say that simply spinning at word level only produces terrible results. I could never manually create a spun article. I tried it once, and it was so boring I wanted to die :p
     
  18. LinkMaister

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    You're basing what you say on what? Because I am basing what I say on actual tests. I didn't expected it either but that's how it is. You CAN generate over 1000 articles from same spintax and they will all stay around 40% unique just like if you would generate just 20 articles. It's actually a normal distribution form, also known as a "bell curve" (google/wikipedia that) and it ranges from 30% to 60% uniqueness but most are around 40%.

    Same with multi-level spintax but there the peak on the bell curve is at 70% and the range is between 50% and 98%.