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How long to wait effect form PBN links?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by askary, Sep 13, 2015.

  1. askary

    askary Regular Member

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    Hi. I added 5 pbns 3 weeks ago and another 5 last week. My own, not public. But i see no significant improvements in serp, results is very poor, like movement from n\a to 70 for 2400words keyword, my main keyword which is 14000 dance between 90 and n\a, some lowcomp moved 60 to 30. But it is not result that i expect. I used different anchors for each pbn, 6 for main page. All pbnsites have tf20-30 without spamlinks and with links form authority sites. 5-8 pages. Moneysite also has links from web2.0 and blogcomments for diversity.

    is it mean i have to build tens of pbns to rank? May be better buy links from sellers, because i see no solid results from my own network which is too expensive to build.
     
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    It is taking easily 2-4 weeks to see some good movement, just give it more time
     
  3. LuckyCharm007

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    Did you expect to rank 1st with a couple cheap web 2.0's, some blog comment and 1-2 pbn link? Your in for a rough day..

    pbn's aren't cheap if you "buy" them or have someone build them
    for you. Otherwise it's just the cost of the domain + hosting ~$2 per month.

    For an easy keyword.. I would say 7-12 pbn's with link diversity (not blog comment, please) should do the trick.. For a hard comp keyword you may need 50++ pbn's to rank your site. You can also see the full effects of your link juice within 4-6 weeks (Yes, it takes time)

    Make sure to also check your onsite, sometimes your keywords are either over optimized or under optimized in your text.
     
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    Might take a few weeks up to a month or so. It relies many factors.
     
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    Imho you need more domains in your PBN to rank your site, 5-10 domains are not enough. +1 vote for on-page seo. Also, did you build tier 2/3 to your web 2.0s?
     
  6. askary

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    20 web20s(gsa contextual and fcs for tier2, spam for tier 3), ~20blogcomments(almost all nofollow), 10 profiles and couple guestposts, 10 pbns

    i polish my onpage as much as i can, and it is very similar to main competitors sites.


    may be i should bulid more exact match anchors? does it matter?
     
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  7. askary

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    yes, i planned to build 20 pbns at all, but i expected beter results from 10 links than n\a to 70
     
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    Coud also be the quality of your PBN domains. Need domains with good TF and good link profile and check history on archive.org. Some domains may have penalty or bad backlinks and low TF.
     
  9. Samson82

    Samson82 Newbie

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    Most people seem to be saying that it takes longer for links to have their full effect these days.
     
  10. askary

    askary Regular Member

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    Typically you will notice results in 2-4 weeks. Also we can't state anything in regards to rankings because we don't know shit about your links. They could be shitty sites with no link juice to pass.
     
  12. TheSEOWizard

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    The first question would be that are your PBNs indexed? If the PBNs are not indexed still, then you need to get them indexed first. Not all PBNs get indexed all the time. It also depends on the quality of PBN and if there has been any penalty in the past. You just lose some domains at times. If you do not see the PBNs indexed after a week or two, just move ahead and get another domain and paste the content and design. Once the PBN is indexed, it can take up to 2 weeks for the keywords to jump up. If you have good PBNs and decent keyword competition the keywords would "jump up" if they are on the later pages and not "crawl up". So, make sure to check the quality too. One more thing. Check the PA, TF etc. of the page from which you are linking. Just because a domain has high quality backlinks does not mean the inner pages would also have the same authority. So, calculate it properly. Last but not the least, research properly before purchasing/registering a PBN domain. Just because it has got high TF CF does not mean sh!t if it was penalized in the past. Also check if those were used as PBNs in the past. There are tons of domains which I can paste right here right now which have got awesome TF CF but are utter crap as those were used as Chinese/Japanese PBNs/sites in the past. If the history of a quality domain has suddenly changed from English or European to Chinese/Japanese/Asian in the past, then it is definitely going to ring some bells at Google and the chances of it trusting the domain reduces. So, check every stat properly before purchasing. I am also an expired domain seller but I personally tell my buyers to check all metrics and history themselves too before registering. That is very important. As a buyer, you should check all stats properly irrespective of what the seller has promised. For my direct SEO clients, I not only use TF CF but I also use PR, PA, DA combinations and use the ones that are the best.

    And at the end of it, SEO is also about patience. Rankings do not happen overnight. And if it happens overnight, the chances of it going out in a single day is also very high. That is the law of gravity. Anything that goes up fast will come down even faster. ;)
     
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  13. askary

    askary Regular Member

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    oh, man, of course pbns are indexed

    all sites got indexed in one day after deploying
     
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    Make sure your Onpage SEO it's perfect ( + 500 words,keyword density, h1 ..etc ) , also you can send to the PBN some social signals :)
     
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    How new is the money site? Honestly, if it's a fresh domain it could take 3-4 months before you see your efforts pan out.
     
  16. TheSEOWizard

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    In that case, there might be other factors such as your money site might be a new domain and might be facing sandbox effect. Also make sure that the keywords you are targeting are realistic (volume does not mean much .. choosing the right keyword does not depend on volume only.. sometime low volume keywords are also very competitive.. check the first 10 results in Google for an idea).. another important factor to consider is whether the website/keywords are in YMYL niche... those are always more difficult to rank for compared to other niches ... add web 2.0, socials and other diversified links too both to the website as well as to the PBN to check if there is any improvement .. and give it some more time before coming to any conclusion.
     
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    check the TF and CF of the PBN sites and share them here, maybe we can help

    also, regarding KW research, type your kw phrase in google search box, notice the DA and PA of the 10 results on the 1st SERP, share those DA/PA here, it can help, too
     
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    Well, what do you guys think of PBN's and it's effect on average, after the recent G update?

    Also, do you think PBNs are good for YT vids as a money site?