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How is this site ranking #1?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by dgfalk, Oct 15, 2011.

  1. dgfalk

    dgfalk Power Member

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    Im competing with a site and my main kw is "local city dentist" and the guy ranking #1 does no have he KW in the domain, title, desc, and NOWHERE on the entire site. The only keyword hes targeting is "local city dental". Ive also checked his backlinks and according to YSE he has 780, but when I removed duplicate domains hes left with 75 unique ones, which are all hosted on the same IP, and every anchor text is "local city dental"

    How is this guy ranking first? Does google rank similar keywords the same, in this case dental and dentist?
     
  2. jon_xx_x

    jon_xx_x Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Google may be grouping those two words together.
    Google is fucking stupid sometimes. I have a competitor that has a ton of #1 spots on numerous EMDS, and he has a "Links" page on each site and just interlinks them all, and those are teh only incoming links he has. And they are all on the same IP.
    And I'll bet you anything if I did the same I'd get caught and deindexed lol.
    Just recently after about 3 years, he finally changed the templates of each one. Before they were all on the same template.
     
  3. EvilEmperor

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    Anchor text is important. How long has he had the domain?
     
  4. dgfalk

    dgfalk Power Member

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  5. Mountaineer

    Mountaineer Senior Member

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    I assume your website is new as compared to his. He might be #1 because he had no real competitor before. Now, as time goes on, you will definitely give him a tough time by using superior SEO techniques and more quality backlinks.
     
  6. xar19

    xar19 Newbie

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    I have seen all sorts of websites that don't hold a candle to mine ranking higher then me on Google. The thing is usually they also have a few years old domain. Whereas mine be completely new. Age seems to mean quite a lot to Google. I have even seen just a squeeze page ranking number one for super competitive keywords before.

    It's puzzling how Google works sometimes.
     
  7. jascoken

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    Yep... That's the 'POLITE' way of putting it...

    It just highlights how many loopholes there are in G's algo. But trying to mimic them or repeat them is impossible: I've done a number of case-studies and tests with this. But you can never replicate anywhere near enough of the factors - they're too diverse.

    It's luck of the draw sometimes, and one of the reasons why when I go after a certain niche/keyword set, I do multiple sites:

    1) As insurance,
    2) as some will do better than others randomly,
    3) as I want multiple sites on page 1.

    I ALWAYS go for 3+ different domains in top 10 on a keyword I want. That way, I know I'll get decent traffic.

    BTW: There've been some interesting releases on traffic stats that I've seen. Even though the no.1 position for traffic still shows about 42%, there's a lot of evidence to show how people's search patterns have evolved over the last 2 years, and most now click on at least 3 links. And the 42% stat doesn't account for that.

    This means that you might not be the first click, but if you've got several in the top 10, you're almost guaranteed to get the majority of searchers for that term at some point. And of course, if you're better/more insightful and more engaging than the others... It's another argument for quality content.

    I think it's more important than ever to have good readable content - even if it's spun (which it mostly will be, let's be honest). So good spinning technology and a strong initial content quality is paramount.

    ...Just my 2 cents...
     
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  8. xar19

    xar19 Newbie

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    Thanks excellent information jascoken. I have also noticed when looking at different SEO firms online that many of their "testimonial" sites are really only ranking for keywords with about 300 - 1000 exact searches per month. (I don't use broad search in the google keyword tool) When I went to check these sites out I did notice that even with the low search volume many people have adwords campaigns for these keywords.


    I guess since they are easy to rank for with enough of them you could make some excellent money relatively quickly. Have never tried such low search volume myself however. Anyone have experience with this? Apparently these SEO firms such as link vine do!
     
  9. jascoken

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    Many online marketers around the world adopt an EMD (Exact Match Domain) or LongTail keyword strategy: They're easier to rank for (sometimes almost instantly) and as you gain age on that site, and if you selected your keywords carefully, you'll start to mature and gain higher volume root keywords too. Especially if you have a lot of deep pages with appropriate content and the right on-page titles.

    There is one site that I visit occasionally, as there is a lot of discussion on this. And if you're new to this area then it's definitely worth checking out:

    http://www.nichepursuits.com/niche-websites-hub/

    It's a blog by a guy who makes a successful living at it; and he's really down-to-earth and gives a lor of info away.

    Also: "The Challenge" is an annual training event which has a lot of information on niche/keyword selection and marketing. I think the 2010 videos were the best. The YouTube playlist is here:

    YT.com/watch?v=q-P2ua1Wc_I&feature=bf_prev&list=PL3912BCD568ED6EA6&lf=results_main

    Change YT to youtube to access it (otherwise it embeds it in this page and doesn't retain the playlist info).

    Good luck bud!
     
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    maybe he`s the best dentist in town :)
     
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  11. dgfalk

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    Maybe in his town, but this guy is ranking #1 for my city/state which is in the mid west and his practice is on the east coast. Theres no doubt I can easily outrank him, I just wanna know why hes ranking #1 for a local KW hes not even targeting when he's 2,500 miles away.
     
  12. captchadreams

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    is it city keyword .. or city state keyword?

    maybe he has the same city name near him but a different state. I live in a city in kentucky and there's one with the same name in ohio.. so i have to compete with them as well.
     
  13. dgfalk

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    City keyword, and ya hes in a different city state, but the city hes in isn't even the same city name as mine. The city name im targeting just happens to be the name of his business.