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How do you find LSI Keywords for Your Keyword?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by MikeBuyco, Jun 24, 2013.

  1. MikeBuyco

    MikeBuyco Regular Member

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    I've been wondering this for a long time now. For example if you have a product keyword. Does LSI need to have the product keyword in it? Like Product review, product scam, etc. Are those LSI keywords?
     
  2. Ash2012

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    For some part LSI is about the placement of words in relation to the main kws as the terms themselves. It's not really as straight-forward as some people think.
     
  3. Jasonlf

    Jasonlf Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    This is what I know. Correct if Anyone thinks different.

    Google keyword tool > enter keyword > set to exact and relevant results > the results are LSI.

    If your writing an LSI article, however, this can get you in trouble as many of the results may contain your keyword and if you use too many main keywords it'll be considerd keyword stuffing. Just remove all keywords from your results list that contain your original keyword and use what's left.
     
  4. Ash2012

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    Sort of. That may work for now, but Google is still slightly primitive with LSI. This will change though, so what works today probably won't hold true for too long.
     
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    imlol Regular Member

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    Type your keyword in google. Scroll to the bottom and look under "Searches related to".
     
  6. Jasonlf

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    If it's G's attention we are after then shouldn't we use what G is telling us what they think is relevant?

    You are hinting at something, please tell us what you know Ash2012. Technique, method, good read, anything?
     
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    infocraze Junior Member

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    Put your keywords on google and look at the very bottom of the results, google will give you some hints and these are the LSI
     
  8. MikeBuyco

    MikeBuyco Regular Member

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    I just typed in google. Payday loans and here are the related results in the bottom:

    Searches related to payday loans


    payday loans online
    payday loans no credit check
    payday advance
    bad credit loans

    check into cash
    cashnetusa
    western sky
    speedy cash

    So are those considered as LSI Keywords?
     
  9. SEO_Alchemy

    SEO_Alchemy Senior Member

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    Just use your own understanding of the subject. That's what LSI is really about, and what it is moving towards:

    "payday loans"
    "payday loans online"
    "fast payday loans"

    are practically the same keyword. Those are not LSI variations.

    Semantic as defined in the Free Online Dictionary:

    1. Of or relating to meaning, especially meaning in language.
    2. Of, relating to, or according to the science of semantics.

    So what are the terms related in meaning to "payday loans"

    "borrowing money"
    "financing purchases"
    "income advance"

    etc... those are your True LSI variations. Simply repeating "payday loans" surrounded with other adjectives will still get your anchor text optmization way too high for "payday loans"

    The LSI terms will 1) boost authority to your site with either content about these terms present on your site, or and even better along with backlink anchored with those terms...

    Now you have a site that may be targeting "payday loans", but is also providing relevant information on "semantically" (get it) related topics, as reflected by the content, and the backlinks coming into the site.

    The google keyword tool will give some ideas, but it's also a matter of cognitively sifting through and finding what's appropriate... If you do it properly, that's just good SEO. You're building content on useful relevant information, not over-optimizing, but still keeping everything nicely focused on your target keywords. You're giving google exactly what it wants: information rich sites with lots of "semantically" related content for the user.... not thin keyword stuffed made to game rank, over optimized properties.
     
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  10. MikeBuyco

    MikeBuyco Regular Member

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    Thank you for that information. I just used payday loans as an example. Basically LSI are related keywords that don't have the main keyword in it as per cited above.
     
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    Tilde key results for payday loans

    pay day loan
    Cash Advance
    Payday Lending
    payday loan
    Payday Lending
     
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    When you want to generate LSI keywords just go to a wikipedia page related to your keyword or any other authority site. Like for payday loan here's the link to the wikipedia page
    Code:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payday_loan
    On this page you can find many LSI keywords. Few are:

    - payday advance
    - unsecured loan
    - cash advance
    - cash loan

    you get the gist
     
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  13. Ash2012

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    This is spot on, and exactly what LSI is about, not just "a variation of the keyword" but terms that relate in meaning or concept. There are many ways you can find "related terms" if English isn't your first language - the keyword tool can help but you need to be selective.
    The placement of these 'concept phrases' should flow if your article makes sense and you don't focus too much on optimization, but more importantly they should all work together to tie in the whole meaning of your article / body of text from start to finish. It is worth mentioning here that I believe semantic relations should be inter-article / inter-page, and not just limited to one.

    I'm not convinced that Google is that far advanced with LSI, but it is clear that's where it is heading, so I view it with a longer term goal - try to be ahead of their game rather than catching up. Where they may have stuff working already is in the different 'phrases' part (as is evident from keyword tool), but semantic science can be as complex as language itself and I'm not sure big G is as good as people give them credit for. It's partly why I've not been able to come up with a 'Google Specific' process yet.
     
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    I sometimes use GKT to check for related and rankable terms, but most of the time use soovle.com or lsikeywords.com (site is slow). Not being lazy, but are there any software on the market that can emulate this process? It would be much easier for batch keyword LSI researches.
     
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    For those who are looking as well, I found that Xfactor did recommend Web Content Studio as one of his favorite tools. WCS basically does what LSIkeywords.com does, but faster and with even more functions I believe.

    Anyone has any experiences with it?
     
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    As most people said, you should use GKT to find these keywords with "Only show ideas closely related to my search terms" checked. I personally use Termexplorer for this because it searches each of the keywords that the GKT returns again, so it gives you a bigger list of LSI keywords.

    After that I use this free simple website (that I made, just for fun) to get variations off the keywords that Termexplorer returned: keywordshitter.com

    That way I end up with a few dozen new keywords, and you can get their traffic stats off Termexplorer to see if they're worth targetting.

    I think Traffic Travis can do the same thing Termexplorer does, but I just found TE to be more reliable of all the keyword tools.
     
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