How do a whales operate & make profit?

Sorry noob question.

I'm confused.

Example:

Market activities(data/book):

0. Coin value = $100.00 / unit
1. Total buy order = 1,000 units
2. Total sell order = 2,000 units
3. And then a whales add +50,000 units sell wall more (dump) for XXX coin for $95.00 value
4. So the buy order would be 1,000 units while the sell order would be 52,000 units

So just like that the market crash?

Who's gonna fill a whales sell wall? And what's gonna happens if people can't fill a whales sell wall?
(I know the price gonna keep dipping)

And how a whales gonna earn the profit through this?

Thanks.




P/S I'm just asking, does not mean I will do this.

I’m not a whale but here’s some theories.
1) Having money on multiple exchanges
2) spreading bids out and smaller bid size (2 bitcoin/$20k at 5-6 points to get $100-$120k in
3) spreading in bids over multiple weeks
4) creating artificial sell walls and using those same methods
Also with bitcoin’s potential to keep going, I don’t see many whales considering selling

By whale, what are we talking here?

I would say it’s hard to do any meaningful manipulation with xxx+ BTC, but anything under that and it will naturally happen whether intended or not.

It’s not always about having their orders filled, sometimes the aim is to just lower the price so they can buy the coins people panic sell and then sell them on when it goes back, or higher, to its original price.

It’s also a common tactic to do multiple sell walls, because often people have limits that can be exposed by moving the price down bit by bit.

So there may be 2k sell orders, but the price dips 5% and now there are automatically 30k sell orders or something.

Two words. Momentum and Stop Loss.. Ok.. three words.

Momentum: Whales have enough weight to start a push in one direction or the other.

Stop Loss: When they push enough, they will trigger a lot of automated selling via stop loss orders.

Now they can buy back in.

I've seen them split up big orders with as small as a 0.01 difference in price, although sometimes a larger difference. Easy to see because the orders pop up on the book like

143 @ 905.05
200 @ 905.04
200 @ 905.03
200 @ 905.02
200 @ 905.01

etc.

Also could split up and sell your assets on multiple exchanges.

Also could liquidate slowly over the course of days or even weeks.

I've seen big sell orders freeze the charts when there aren't enough buyers. They'll cancel and bump it up further on the order book several times. This happened to me on a coin that had a very low volume at the time I was trying to sell off a several hundred thousand coins. I had to cancel the partially filled order. And then place new sell orders again. Took me 5x of cancelling partially filled orders and then replacing at a different price, and it took me all day to sell all the coins as the price dropped below where I wanted to sell.

Thanks. More complex than I ever thought.

This video might help you understand something



back to basic..

ASK - the price sellers willing to sell
BID - the price buyers willing to buy

there's 3 type of orders

1. Market Order - buy market order is executed at the current market price (ASK), sell market order is executed at the current market price (BID)
2. Limit Order - buy limit order is placed below the current market price, sell limit order is placed above the current market price
3. Stop Order - buy stop order is placed above the current market price, sell stop order is placed below the current market price

PinguSpy said:

0. Coin value = $100.00 / unit

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This called BID

PinguSpy said:

3. And then a whales add +50,000 units sell wall more (dump) for XXX coin for $95.00 value

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This called sell stop order

PinguSpy said:

So just like that the market crash?

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Only market order can moves the price, limit/stop order wouldn't

PinguSpy said:

what's gonna happens if people can't fill a whales sell wall?

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price will never penetrate above $95.00

PinguSpy said:

And how a whales gonna earn the profit through this?

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The only ways to earn profit is to buy low and sell high, or sell high and buy low

There's no other way

Gr33nArrow said:

This video might help you understand something

back to basic..

ASK - the price sellers willing to sell
BID - the price buyers willing to buy

there's 3 type of orders

1. Market Order - buy market order is executed at the current market price (ASK), sell market order is executed at the current market price (BID)
2. Limit Order - buy limit order is placed below the current market price, sell limit order is placed above the current market price
3. Stop Order - buy stop order is placed above the current market price, sell stop order is placed below the current market price




This called BID



This called sell stop order



Only market order can moves the price, limit/stop order wouldn't



price will never penetrate above $95.00



The only ways to earn profit is to buy low and sell high, or sell high and buy low

There's no other way

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Thanks.
How you know that i'm a malay? lol

I did 2 things before, putting 60 BTC buy wall at SHIFT coin (when the price is still lower) as result so many other whales start to appear.

And.. putting sell wall at _____ coin as result the market crash. Due to newbie goes panic.

PinguSpy said:

Thanks.
How you know that i'm a malay? lol

I did 2 things before, putting 60 BTC buy wall at SHIFT coin (when the price is still lower) as result so many other whales start to appear.

And.. putting sell wall at _____ coin as result the market crash. Due to newbie goes panic.

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recognized your nick on carigold.. LOL

I sent you a private message 3 months ago asking about DMT but no reply


btw, did your 60 BTC buy order filled?

did you earn the market crash?

other whales start to appear? they sell or buy