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How can you get so many Backlinks without being penalized?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by Wayer, Jun 2, 2010.

  1. Wayer

    Wayer Newbie

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    Sorry for being a noob, but I would really appreciate some answers to my questions.

    I see threads like get "3000 instant backlinks" and I always wonder how somebody would get away with that?? How does google not notice a sudden massive amount of backlinks?

    If google can see that your getting backlinks from unrelated content, will they penalise you? For example if your website is about dog training, and you have a outbound link from learning how to play the guitar, will they notice this?

    Finally am I the only one submitting backlinks manually? :p I'm just wondering if there's programs out there that can make it alot easier?

    Thank you!
     
  2. noph34r

    noph34r Regular Member

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    In fact after some days, most sites with ton of BH backlinks are penalized.
     
  3. Frankie4Fingers

    Frankie4Fingers Power Member

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    I'd do such a massive linkbuilding in a short period of time only on an aged domain with already some hundreds of incoming links.

    Anyway I think that if you don't go happy pinging and the SEs index the links slowly, you could get away with that.
     
  4. wpbacklinks

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    yeah.. do backlinks regularly.. and not get a lot of backlinks in one day... google will catch you :rolleyes:
     
  5. aftershock2020

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    The search engines will let you have and keep any backlink you want and that is why people keep doing it. However, the problems come into play when people abuse the methods and services by over posting, pinging as Frankie mentioned and then a couple of other factors coming out of the woodwork.

    The penalty comes in the form of devalued rank, authority and even keyword position. These things all come down to simple ' content relevance '. IF the links don't hold true to their common relation to your site's niche market, you are going to be discredited on every unrelated link, taking so many positives to keep you above water.

    That's why I suggest that you do your homework and either build your own links from link wheels and proper seo promotion, as well as natural, content relevant link building.

    If someone is using a crappy little site that they are continuing to spam, cpa and scam promote through, then it doesn't matter, as they will never want to put in the time and effort of a real, high ranking authority site. It is too easy to throw up another trash site and make a few bucks that they throw away half of to make the next one.

    Those sites can use whatever means to build because they are on a short lifespan anyway and need to make whatever they can before getting shut down. By the time google or the other search engines degrade their stats to levels of no use, the owner has already made a couple of hundred dollars and has moved on.

    The problem with that is that in doing so, they are forcing google's position to become more and more strict on sites, in an attempt to crack down on it and are furthering the devalue of potential generalized links that may actually end up being of relevance to a site or service that works as a directory or recommendation site of sorts.

    Keep it simple and don't fall into that ' get rich quick ' type of thing, as building your links properly will take far less work, effort and will bring you greater rewards to your site's standing over time, building it as an authority.

    Google is in the ' information ' business and content is the job user-generated source of that relevant material they use. It is simple to rank in google for the top spots if you simply give them what they want. A bunch of junk, non-relevant backlinks is NOT it.
     
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  6. Wayer

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    Thank you or such a great reply, I only plan on creating relevant and quality backlinks, I was just curious.
     
  7. aftershock2020

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    You bet, glad I could help. Remember, google is in the ' information ' business and content is the source of where/how they get it.
     
  8. milian

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    backlinking will never hurt your site. Other wise you could build thousands and thousands of links to your compeotors sites from crappy link farms in one day and bump them down. Google knows you have no control over who links to you, so they wont penalize you for it.
     
  9. VaLeRyA

    VaLeRyA Regular Member

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    in one niche my competitor have 32,000 backlinks
    I have only 1500
    All this according to Yahoo
    have almost the same visits per day

    the difference is in the quality of links
    links that come from similar niches
    unique content

    this is my experience.

    quality link ---> NIche = Iphone Tool --> Keyword "Free Iphone Tool" ---> external Link = iphonetoolbox(dot)com ---> your site = free-phone-tool(dot)com

    I see it this way quality links.
     
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  10. milian

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    how do you know how many hits you competitors site gets?
     
  11. businessbira

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    cubestat.com can come in handy (i'm not sure about its accouracy) and Alexa rankings can give you a hint (usually i.e. the more traffic you get, the better Alexa ranking you have - if genuine, cause you can cheat)

    anyway, the problem is not how many links you build in a day, the problem may be how many links google INDEX in a day.

    But if you have an old site, your risks of penalizations are quite low.
     
  12. milian

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    Well yeah there is Alexa buts its hardly a true representation. Relying on people with thier tool bar installed to create deomographics, when in reality how many websurfers have even heard of Alexa, let alone have it installed. I know the theroy behind it, using their members as a representation of the every internet surfer than working it out from that. But really, it must be very far from the truth.

    I woudn't even like to hazard a guess where cubestat gets it figures from!
     
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    if google indexs all the links you create.
    Then you will be in trouble.
    It doesnt index all in a day.
     
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    Time... Google is betting you'll quit in under 10 months. Those who last can link build forever at a pretty decent clip.
     
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    So let me get it right.If I want all my competition gone I just blast them with 10000 irrelevant links per day and google just penalize them ??? Hmm,I don't think so.

    At least that's my logic why google can't hurt your rankings only based on the amount/relevance of your backlinks. You won't get better in rankings,but in no way worse.
     
  16. ultim8

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    No, Google won't exactly penalize you for inbound links but what you can lose is some authority rank.

    Example: You have 500 PR4-P46 links and your competitor has 1500 PR1-PR3 links. If you guys are selling the exact same products, you will definitely outrank him 90% of the times, especially on Google. Now, let's say 3 months down the road someone decides to throw 2000 PR1 links at your site, 99% of the times you won't lose your rankings because you already had quality links from before, but you can lose some power on your site. You may not rank as high for new pages/terms, and your site may not get indexed as fast.
     
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    I don't know, I can't say anyone's wrong or right about google, cuz the algorithm is secret and complex, but I've NEVER been penalized for getting alot of backlinks in one day, whether new or aged domain. I can only speak from my experience.

    I've blasted out 10k backlinks to a new domain, new as in 1 week old or 2 weeks old. I never have time to get to any of me spanking new domains right away. So I suppose that's a good thing. But my 1-2 week old domains, I've sent a shitload of backlinks to in 1 day or every day for 1 week, and they all trickle in from there.

    I've got several domains that I blasted 50k backlinks to each, and each only have 23k -30k backlinks so far, and that was 6 months ago. Only around HALF have been indexed or counted. My backlink checker says 96 % of those backlinks are still live, so it isn't that the backlink source removed my backlink. I don't use generic or passed around backlinks anyway, so that's something you can do too, is to find your own high quality backlinks.
     
  18. Paranoid Android

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    Actully those kinds of instant backlinks works on aged domain.

    BIG G will definitely see you if you put this stuff on new domains and you might end up sandboxed. try building links gradually at first, probably not more than 50 a day and increase as the day progress. find quality sites that you can put your site on to. remember, setting up a link on just 1 high pr, authority or high traffic site is better than setting up on 5 or even 10 links on crappy ones.
     
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    Its not always a bad thing to get too many links as long as you are making it look natural. I have seen peoples getting thousands of links in a couple of hours and their site rankings being improved!
     
  20. Talsin

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    Ive been penalized for building backlinks too fast before, but only on really really fresh domains, and if you keep building links and ignore the penality rather than going "oh noes ive been penalized" then Google assume its natural and give you back your position (and better) after a month or so.