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How big a difference will tiers 2+3 do?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by qq_z123, Jun 4, 2013.

  1. qq_z123

    qq_z123 Newbie

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    Hi. Let's say I have built 20 Web 2.0 links to my money site as tier 1 links. There are no other links to the money site or the 2.0s.
    I am ranking around #30 for low competition keywords. How big a difference does it make to create a tier 2+3 to my tier 1? How big of a 'jump' have you ​experienced jumping due to adding more tiers?
     
  2. innosoft

    innosoft Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    u will give great linkjuice to T1. It will eventually hit u to page 1 if u do it right way.. some people even go for T8 for competitive keywords. Everything is experimental.
     
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    Tier 2 and three will make those very articles yiu posted on the Web2.0 sites more legit. Hence, you will get better ranking and of course decrease the chance of getting nailed by Google
     
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    twistedtrick Power Member

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    It really depends on the link quality...if you are going to hit your Web 2.0s with some high PR SAPE links, your money site will be shielded (moreso than being blasted directly anyway) from any updates targeting SAPE-style networks, and your Web 2.0s and subsequently money site will receive the benefit of the links.

    If the links are just blog comments on sites with 2000 OBL though it will not help. I pretty much do Tier2+ backlinking just to help make sure everything is getting indexed as fast as possible.
     
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    as long as you see web2.0 as another site you will see great results for even highly competitive keywords too , that's is what we are doing :)
     
  6. imyself

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    Just to make the tier 1 powerful, you build those T2 and T3 links. Plus for diversification also...
     
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    It is based on the ideas of authority and trust. What is the value of your link going to be if there are no tier-2, tier-3 sites support it?

    Tier-2 links are supposed to help with improving your web 2.0 authority, trust and relevance so that the link it is pointing to your money site is worth more than sitting alone.
     
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    jonthewiz Registered Member

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    The problem is that your first tier would lack the linkjuice to do anything worthwhile to your moneysite. The linkjuice is passed on from the higher tiers, etc.
     
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    The purpose to having the other tiers is to be able to rank up via building a large number of backlinks (spam is one method)

    Are you planning on spamming your tier 1's?
    (pause)

    OP: No, of course not.

    Then in order for you to build the PR on those Tier 1's your need to build Tier 2's and so on.
     
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    Tier 2 is to gradully turn your tier one sites into "mini authorities" themselves.
    When first made (no matter where you make them) tier one sites are always underpowered (or zero powered)
    Tier 2 boosts these and in turn your money pages.
    Tier 3 is almost exclusively JUST to index your tier 2

    You need expotentially more content and linking sites the further you go out (roll down the pyramid)

    If you have an authority site then really invest in tier one and automate ot outsource the rest (unless you want to work 80 hours a week linking them up)

    Most of my tier ones are self made - all of the other stuff is automated and this process works REALLY well.
    I would outsource more but with several hundred tier ones to power up there are zero products here on BHW or anywhere else that are any frikking good at doing this. Likewise never found a service that creates tier ones very well at all.
    I'd go further and say of the many may I've tried they are really (REALLY) poor. Provide a quick boost - but are content thin, badly created and often more of a hinderance.
    The biggest issue is just how weak the content provided is. 9 out of 10 provide one post on an unaltered profile (with little or no detail and no customization) and this content is really pi$$ poor. Low word count, spammy, uninteresting and often plagirised.

    A good tier one is a quality site that provides CLICK THROUGH not just link juice.
    Every one I've seen created by a SEO service has been total crap - only a dunce would consider clicking through the garbage

    So I create my own tier one and use auitomation for tier 2 and 3 (and to add a few new or "disposable" tier one links from time to time)

    While we are on this - let's remember that Google couldn't give a f&ck about copyscape - it's not something they use and it doesn't use a method of measuring uniqueness that they use - it's basically a waste of time - a placebo for noobs to think they have bought some "Google immunity" when in fact it means nothing of the sort.
    "90% copyscape pass" might as well say "Free banana with every post" for all the difference it makes to SEO
    Uniqueness is increasingly important - the way copyscape measures it isn't.

    There are some experts here on BHW who will tell you all about uniqueness and how to do it PROPERLY (Madoctopus is one)


    Scritty
     
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    If there was one answer that I would want stickied on BHW, it would be this.
     
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    qq_z123 Newbie

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    Thanks Matthew, but I have already watched most of your videos. Thanks a lot for making them!


    Scritty, I can't thank you enough for your post. It was of immense help to me. I have been building manual quality tier 1s without backlinking them, and it seems like I have made a great mistake.

    You say that you automate your tiers 2 and 3. I understand that part of it is outsourcing the work to other people, but if I want to do part of the work on my own with a tool, which one should I be getting and learning? I'm considering buying GSA and using it on my tier 2s, but I am unsure if this is optimal. Is there any thread you would recommend reading to learn how to properly backlink tiers 2+?
     
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    childlikecrook545 Newbie

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    Tiering makes a huge difference. Its almost essential these days to get decent rankings.