How are the mods/admins detecting vote manipulation?

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First of all I'd like to say that Im new here, but I already love it!! Now how are they detecting upvote manipulation? Some people say it's the number of upvotes but I honestly think that's not true. Cause even if I send 20uvs 3/h the account gets banned in a few days.
 
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Nobody knows for a fact. It can be many things. If a bunch of questionable accounts are upvoting you, that can trigger the security system. Example: Accounts where all of them are using a proxy. It's not that sophisticated. It's just that infractors make it really easy to be detected because their accounts don't look like those of real people.
 
It's not the mods/admins anymore. It appears that they rolled out a new machine-learning algorithm last week. It seems to be able to detect patterns of vote manipulation at a massive scale.

There is another thread this week about comments being removed from Reddit. That thread is similar to this, all related to this new algorithm they rolled out.
 
No one can tell besides reddit admins. Some things they might do is checking for an unnaturally high rate of upvotes or by linking the accounts that upvoted the post/comment somehow (ip, isp, fingerprint etc).
 
I can't speak for Reddit's admins. I can only speak as a moderator.

When I first started my subreddit, we had one problematic user that was mass downvoting all the comments. This was an issue for a young subreddit because there weren't enough upvotes to bring otherwise good comments back up. Eventually, I was able to "fish out" the user by posting content he would react to.

For upvotes, mods will usually have a sense of what is and isn't going to be popular with the subreddit. If something that isn't "usually" popular suddenly hits the top of the subreddit, it would look suspicious. Even if a moderator doesn't take immediate action from a mere suspicion, trying similar content with a similar tactic on the same subreddit could result in future moderator action.

Hope that helps!
 
Likely the accounts being used for the upvoting... similar to how Instagram detects fake followers/likes/etc.
 
atlas_http said:
I can't speak for Reddit's admins. I can only speak as a moderator.

When I first started my subreddit, we had one problematic user that was mass downvoting all the comments. This was an issue for a young subreddit because there weren't enough upvotes to bring otherwise good comments back up. Eventually, I was able to "fish out" the user by posting content he would react to.

For upvotes, mods will usually have a sense of what is and isn't going to be popular with the subreddit. If something that isn't "usually" popular suddenly hits the top of the subreddit, it would look suspicious. Even if a moderator doesn't take immediate action from a mere suspicion, trying similar content with a similar tactic on the same subreddit could result in future moderator action.

Hope that helps!
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Yeah I understand that mods can have their experience or tools or whatever. But when I get a message from Reddit saying that my account is banned for upvote manipulation, they include some "examples" of posts of mine that have been manipulated and they hit right on the spot lol. They exactly know what posts have been manipulated and what posts haven't I guess the upvote providers suck at hiding fingerprints lol

However some of my accounts do very well organically and I don't use fake upvotes on those but lately they've been getting shadowbanned too (caught in the spam filters) for no reason at all. I always use proxies with no fraudscore but maybe there's some leaks or something idk...
 
klique said:
Likely the accounts being used for the upvoting... similar to how Instagram detects fake followers/likes/etc.
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Yeah but at least instagram sucks at detecting fake followers or they just don't give a damn, cause I've never had a ig account banned for buying followers but Reddit... I use like 5-6 account every month easy
 
Hamish Mac said:
It's not the mods/admins anymore. It appears that they rolled out a new machine-learning algorithm last week. It seems to be able to detect patterns of vote manipulation at a massive scale.

There is another thread this week about comments being removed from Reddit. That thread is similar to this, all related to this new algorithm they rolled out.
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That makes sense because as I said when I receive the message saying that Ive been banned for uvp manipulation etc and they list down the examples of posts that have been manipulated they hit right on the spot...
 
The most obvious one are the old post... People that comment on old post tend to never get upvoted, and if you are suddenly ranked high up in the comment, well it's most likely manipulated. People can see the age of the post and the age of the comment, it's fairly obvious on the old post.
 
the answer is data, reddit has data of millions of posts throughout more than a dozen of year in time,

posts that are upvoted naturally should share some common patterns that artificially upvoted posts don't
 
OkReerve said:
the answer is data, reddit has data of millions of posts throughout more than a dozen of year in time,

posts that are upvoted naturally should share some common patterns that artificially upvoted posts don't
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What could be those patterns? Cause obviously num of uvs/time ratio would give them a lot of fake positives, unique uvs maybe? Like you go to a subreddit and check some posts, probably you'll uvp more than one post, meaning that if someone has an x num of uvs that come from accs that only uvt their post but no one elses post in that sub. Maybe where the accounts come from. Like if the bot goes from google to you're post link directly... that's sus af too, but if it navigates a little bit through the subreddit and "naturally find your post" etc. Maybe all of it create like a fraud-score lol
 
probably the fake navigation by the bots. allt hese stupid bots do the same lame surf routine easy to detet. that alone would be for machine learning to detect
 
Arkoid said:
Yeah but at least instagram sucks at detecting fake followers or they just don't give a damn, cause I've never had a ig account banned for buying followers but Reddit... I use like 5-6 account every month easy
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Yeah, because instagram doesn't ban for using fake followers or likes, because that would mean anyone would be able to get other people's accounts banned by simply buying followers for it. Platforms normally will penalize the accounts engagement when you use fake engagement to boost an account.
 
It is the quality of accounts used for upvoting combined with subs mods or maybe reports. Funny thing that I know how it works and can ban any relatively fresh account using my tools. Imho Reddit is doing stupid things right now. Waiting for negative upvotes services lol.
I have a monitoring tool, and about 30% of accounts being banned in a matter of one week in nsfw niche. I think Reddit will slowly die. Too much stupid ai and automation. Big ugly forum.
 
Pavilion said:
It is the quality of accounts used for upvoting combined with subs mods or maybe reports. Funny thing that I know how it works and can ban any relatively fresh account using my tools. Imho Reddit is doing stupid things right now. Waiting for negative upvotes services lol.
I have a monitoring tool, and about 30% of accounts being banned in a matter of one week in nsfw niche. I think Reddit will slowly die. Too much stupid ai and automation. Big ugly forum.
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It will probably not die, but it is true, because of past and current spam and bots they are banning a lot of legit users.
Imagine you just created a account as a new legit user and want to interact with someone, you go to post your first comment and get whacked instantly lol.
They need to chill with the new user banning if they intend to encourage real organic content and not just bots and people who know to avoid their anti spam system.
 
Arkoid said:
First of all I'd like to say that Im new here, but I already love it!! Now how are they detecting upvote manipulation? Some people say it's the number of upvotes but I honestly think that's not true. Cause even if I send 20uvs 3/h the account gets banned in a few days.
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I solved this problem, I will share a full guide soon on how to do reddit upvotes from A-Z
 
atlas_http said:
I can't speak for Reddit's admins. I can only speak as a moderator.

When I first started my subreddit, we had one problematic user that was mass downvoting all the comments. This was an issue for a young subreddit because there weren't enough upvotes to bring otherwise good comments back up. Eventually, I was able to "fish out" the user by posting content he would react to.

For upvotes, mods will usually have a sense of what is and isn't going to be popular with the subreddit. If something that isn't "usually" popular suddenly hits the top of the subreddit, it would look suspicious. Even if a moderator doesn't take immediate action from a mere suspicion, trying similar content with a similar tactic on the same subreddit could result in future moderator action.

Hope that helps!
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^truth

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