How are competing advertisers actually pulling the click fraud off?

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Hello, if you saw another post I made recently, chances are you know I'm dealing with (and probably a lot of us) massive amounts of click fraud hitting my client's search ads. I'm not running any display since we've seen tons of bot traffic with that and no results. Only search ads on Microsoft-owned properties and longtail keywords for the most part.

Still, we're getting a super low conversion rate and poor traffic quality I'd say.

My question is, does anyone actually know how the competition is actually pulling off the whole click fraud thing? I know we're getting a bunch of junk traffic. Hypothetically speaking, if I was looking to fight back in order to gain some more genuine traffic for my clients (this is all for entertainment purposes and not my objective at all), how would I go about it?

Residential proxies? Would you have to manually perform the clicks each day and then refresh the IP after each one? Or are there all-in-one programs that would: search the indicated keywords, click on them, refresh IP, and repeat?

Would hypothetical programs allow for you to add exceptions for which domains to avoid?

This is all for shits and giggles, only.

Also, I read the rules and I don't see anything stating I'm not supposed to have conversations like this. If I'm breaking the rules - I sincerely apologize ahead of time.
 
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Wilson Grant Fisk said:
I am not going to tell you how to retaliate, but you need to filter out the bot traffic for your client's campaign.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=FILTER+OUT+BOT+TRAFFIC+CLICK+FRAUD
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Thanks for your feedback. I'm using click cease and another click fraud protection software actually. The two combined along with daily reviews are not enough to keep it at bay.
 
The thing is, if you use click fraud on them, it won't necessarily stop them from doing it to you. They may not even know it's happening and they can only guess at who is doing it if they do notice. They may have more money to spend than your client and can win out. I'm not sure what the best approach is, maybe start with contacting MS's support and seeing what they can do.
 
I get what you're saying. I'm not trying to shut anyone down completely but I'm basically fighting for market share. We have to at least slow them down a bit so that my clients can get some legit clicks.

Literally, I'm competing against Mayo Clinic and some other heavy hitters so they've got deep pockets but if I could at least increase the quality of my traffic by 20-30% I think it would make a difference. Which means we have to show up more on legit searches.
 
Ubsessed said:
My question is, does anyone actually know how the competition is actually pulling off the whole click fraud thing?
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Through the services of highly sophisticated click fraud farms. These click fraud farms are always quite updated in what they do, to the extent that no one and no company can stop click fraud from happening.
In paid ads, especially Google Ads, nowadays, sophisticated blackhat click farms are used and unfortunately, they are so sophisticated that nothing can really stop fraud clicks on an ongoing basis. See https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/is-bing-selling-fake-clicks.1447717/#post-15762387 and https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/how-to-prevent-fraud-click-from-competition.1333191/#post-14936213 for some more insight into it.
 
Trust WorkShop said:
Through the services of highly sophisticated click fraud farms. These click fraud farms are always quite updated in what they do, to the extent that no one and no company can stop click fraud from happening.
In paid ads, especially Google Ads, nowadays, sophisticated blackhat click farms are used and unfortunately, they are so sophisticated that nothing can really stop fraud clicks on an ongoing basis. See https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/is-bing-selling-fake-clicks.1447717/#post-15762387 and https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/how-to-prevent-fraud-click-from-competition.1333191/#post-14936213 for some more insight into it.
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hi where can i find a service to pay for click like this ( a competitor has made a lot of damages and i want to give him back)
 
OGINVESTOR9 said:
hi where can i find a service to pay for click like this ( a competitor has made a lot of damages and i want to give him back)
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We don't condone that sort of behaviour on BHW. Also, generally speaking, it is a waste of time and money engaging in such tit-for-tat behaviour. Much better to concentrate on building your business.
 
click fraud from competitors is a problem, because its usually done manually

that means any bot protection tools aren't going to find these clicks, because there are no bots !

what competitors are doing is changing their IP, waiting a few minutes or whatever, and then doing a new search and clicking on your ads

it's really fucked up that it's that simple

you can try changing your keywords so the competitors can't find your ads anymore, but then you're probably going to miss real clicks too

you should ask your click fraud tools to check if the same devices are clicking on your ads

so even though the IP is changing, the devices will stay the same

from there you can talk to bing or whoever about getting a refund
 
Browser / device can change with a single click. And don't forget, the click farms are quite sophisticated, they use automation.
At the most campaign related tweaks may minimise fraudulent clicks, to a certain extent.
However, I feel quite sorry for those who still think that services like Clickcease, etc are for stopping click fraud. Clickcease, etc know that 99% of people are gullible enough to fall into their trap, so they mis-advertise (misleading advertising) that they can stop click fraud and then gullible people pay hundreds of US dollars ONLY to get a detailed click analysis report to submit to Google Ads, etc and say prayers so that possibly Google Ads, etc may offer some credits.
NO ONE and NO COMPANY can stop click fraud.
 
Trust WorkShop said:
Browser / device can change with a single click. And don't forget, the click farms are quite sophisticated, they use automation.
At the most campaign related tweaks may minimise fraudulent clicks, to a certain extent.
However, I feel quite sorry for those who still think that services like Clickcease, etc are for stopping click fraud. Clickcease, etc know that 99% of people are gullible enough to fall into their trap, so they mis-advertise (misleading advertising) that they can stop click fraud and then gullible people pay hundreds of US dollars ONLY to get a detailed click analysis report to submit to Google Ads, etc and say prayers so that possibly Google Ads, etc may offer some credits.
NO ONE and NO COMPANY can stop click fraud.
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click fraud can't be blocked pre-click, but it can be minimised based on post-click data

been dealing with click fraud for years

i agree with you that clickcease are bullshit
 
So I'm running Click Cease and Polygraph concurrently spending over $100+ per month just to flag it. We adjust keywords based on the data we see with polygraph but what happens is if you turn everything off, you're not getting any traffic whatsoever. The most desirable keywords are the ones that you're going to get fraud with if you're targeting. It's an overall shit situation and I understand not condoning the behavior but when you've got to keep it at bay so that you can keep a roof over your head, my priorities are a bit different.
 
This is the biggest problem in ad industry, what we call ad whales, they are the ones responsible for this chaos.
 
randomstrings said:
This is the biggest problem in ad industry, what we call ad whales, they are the ones responsible for this chaos.
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Yeah it probably seems like the people with the greatest amount of resources are the ones who have the budget to purchase all these types of things, crush everyone else, and get all the legitimate traffic with a much larger budget.
 
Trust WorkShop said:
Browser / device can change with a single click. And don't forget, the click farms are quite sophisticated, they use automation.
At the most campaign related tweaks may minimise fraudulent clicks, to a certain extent.
However, I feel quite sorry for those who still think that services like Clickcease, etc are for stopping click fraud. Clickcease, etc know that 99% of people are gullible enough to fall into their trap, so they mis-advertise (misleading advertising) that they can stop click fraud and then gullible people pay hundreds of US dollars ONLY to get a detailed click analysis report to submit to Google Ads, etc and say prayers so that possibly Google Ads, etc may offer some credits.
NO ONE and NO COMPANY can stop click fraud.
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im not looking to stop them but to use them
 
Wilson Grant Fisk said:
We don't condone that sort of behaviour on BHW. Also, generally speaking, it is a waste of time and money engaging in such tit-for-tat behaviour. Much better to concentrate on building your business.
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lol theres a specific sales thread in the market place that specifically does just this (burns through cometitors ads).
 
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