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Hello

Two of my websites, which are on completely different topics, have seen their traffic drop drastically after Google's May update — down to one-third of what it was.
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The site for which I shared the GSC screenshot is about two years old and has 1,500 pieces of Non english content, which were written and Resaerched with AI but manually edited.
It gets updated daily.I've been very careful with backlinks it has around 150 real, manual backlinks. ( for example i have 5 wikipedia backlink) I also worked on EEAT and have 7 real authors with social media profiles linked.
Internal linking is done very carefully, manually, and is precisely relevant to the topics without using exact-match keywords.
All social media accounts exist and have content (though I haven't updated them for 3 months).
Currently, traffic has dropped very strangely and dramatically, and I don't know exactly what to do.
Now that the update is over and the results are clear, should I just wait?
What changes would you suggest? what i missed?
thank you
 
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Are you still posting new content? Google is now directing most searches through its AI at the top of search results, maybe your content is not optimized for ai visibility, you could try researching how to package your site content so it's quotable by AI
 
From what I see you definetly got a penalty from google. I think its beacuse of ai contents. Strenght your internal links and write one or two solid data analysis post ( something ai contents cant do. )
 
Are you still posting new content? Google is now directing most searches through its AI at the top of search results, maybe your content is not optimized for ai visibility, you could try researching how to package your site content so it's quotable by AI
Yes i do
Actually, all of my posts are optimized for AI Overview — meaning when I write about a topic, I also do keyword research, find related topics and questions, and answer them in a concise way.

write one or two solid data analysis post
can you please explain more about this ?
 
Sounds like you have done more SEO than google probably expected. :D

Honestly speaking, I would wait a bit before making major changes. Sometimes google updates hit good sites too, and recovery can take weeks or even months. carry on good and unique work. It will be allrite.
 
Yes i do
Actually, all of my posts are optimized for AI Overview — meaning when I write about a topic, I also do keyword research, find related topics and questions, and answer them in a concise way.


can you please explain more about this ?
for this you need to have some data, up to date ones. i dont know the category you are writing about, but you can get ai to analyze it for your niche. but you gotta collect or prep the data yourself, so basically you are gonna be the source.
 
for this you need to have some data, up to date ones. i dont know the category you are writing about, but you can get ai to analyze it for your niche. but you gotta collect or prep the data yourself, so basically you are gonna be the source.
Good idea. Actually, my site is in the legal field, and I have access to complete statistical data that I can use to publish analytical articles. i can base the daily posts on this for now. Do you think this can help in recovering the rankings?
 
Good idea. Actually, my site is in the legal field, and I have access to complete statistical data that I can use to publish analytical articles. i can base the daily posts on this for now. Do you think this can help in recovering the rankings?
if you do your job properly, absolutely ..
 
Hello

Two of my websites, which are on completely different topics, have seen their traffic drop drastically after Google's May update — down to one-third of what it was.
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The site for which I shared the GSC screenshot is about two years old and has 1,500 pieces of Non english content, which were written and Resaerched with AI but manually edited.
It gets updated daily.I've been very careful with backlinks it has around 150 real, manual backlinks. ( for example i have 5 wikipedia backlink) I also worked on EEAT and have 7 real authors with social media profiles linked.
Internal linking is done very carefully, manually, and is precisely relevant to the topics without using exact-match keywords.
All social media accounts exist and have content (though I haven't updated them for 3 months).
Currently, traffic has dropped very strangely and dramatically, and I don't know exactly what to do.
Now that the update is over and the results are clear, should I just wait?
What changes would you suggest? what i missed?
thank you
First step is don't panic. It happens to everyone eventually - tiny niches to huge media firms. Every update.

Waiting is good advice, don't just quickly dive in and rewrite everything. But you can go into diagnosis mode while you wait. Some things to look at:
Tech issues - broken links, redirects, header issues
External signals - have brand signals and engagement suffered recently? I notice you say you haven't updated social in a few months
Content - is your newer content drifting from what you were successful with before?

From what I see you definetly got a penalty from google.
Nah, most people will never get an actual 'penalty' from Google - it's more their contents/backlinks/authority have been re-weighted, or other pages are simply 'better' in Google's eyes and answer the query more effectively.
 
Good idea. Actually, my site is in the legal field, and I have access to complete statistical data that I can use to publish analytical articles. i can base the daily posts on this for now. Do you think this can help in recovering the rankings?

The unfortunate reality is if you're hit with an update, you absolutely aren't going to be able to make some changes and recover in any short period of time.

The update isn't finished rolling out, so you may pop back, but generally, you're looking at fixing what caused you to be hit in the first place, then waiting for the next update.

EEAT isn't a thing. It's propaganda by Google and loved by SEO experts who have zero-clue and love to spout garbage that companies eat up because it sounds right.

I can't give you exact examples, but have a test site in an ultra hard finance keyword ranking #1. Not top 3. Number 1 for almost 2 years now beating stripe and various DR 85+'s

Fake phone number, address, not a real business, no real person, no trust signals, no EEAT.

It's all about your page embedding. If your embedding isn't close to the centroid, you don't rank.

Literally no one in the industry understands SEO anymore.

It started with the HCU. This was Google changing from an old keyword/text based model to embeddings.

Updates are this:

It's Google batch re-training events based on behavioural data.

Each query has a centroid embedding. The closer your page embedding is to that centroid, the better your chances of ranking.

Close sites = in the race.

They're then re-ranked based on power, topical authority, backlinks and engagement signals on the live serp.

That's SEO in 2026.
 
EEAT isn't a thing. It's propaganda by Google and loved by SEO experts who have zero-clue and love to spout garbage that companies eat up because it sounds right.
I'm one of those people who thought that EEAT is a thing, but I never claimed to be an expert (on the contrary) so at least I'm protected in that regard... hopefully :p

Now, the thing that makes me believe that EEAT exists is because google tend to reward sites with official credentials over sites of random, unknown people.

Take the medical industry for example, the sites that tend to rank best most of the time are the ones belonging to hospitals, doctors, etc. And the reason (well, I am assuming that this is the reason, but feel free to prove me wrong) is because google can verify in some way that those sites belong to those entities, which is what EEAT is all about: criminals in hideouts (google) demanding transparency (so, EEAT) from people that have nothing to hide.

And the same applies to local SEO too: the companies that tend to rank better in every industry are the ones who are transparent (so, they provide EEAT signals) with their business (they provide schedules, phone numbers, physical locations, etc.)

So, how can EEAT not exist then? Whether it's called EEAT or something else (trust for example, since this seem to be the SEO buzzword of late, even though EEAT and trust mean the same thing to me) it doesn't matter, something still exists that draws the line for google between which is considered a rankable site in YMYL industries and which one isn't considered a rankable site (yet).

I can't give you exact examples, but have a test site in an ultra hard finance keyword ranking #1. Not top 3. Number 1 for almost 2 years now beating stripe and various DR 85+'s

Fake phone number, address, not a real business, no real person, no trust signals, no EEAT.
I'd say it's the exception to the rule :)

And let's not forget that these big tech giants are masters of disguise and deceit, they do like to make decoys for deflecting attention, taking pressure away from stuff they might have accidentally screwed, or to lull suspicion away from their shady stuff in general. They're masters at these things...

Anyway, not trying to call you out on this (I wouldn't even dream about it since you're the expert and I'm just a casual), it's just that I'm not fully convinced yet that EEAT doesn't exist. And I also don't trust google enough to never be paranoid about their shady business, that's part of the reason too...

Literally no one in the industry understands SEO anymore.
with this I can agree :D

Updates are this:

It's Google batch re-training events based on behavioural data.

Each query has a centroid embedding. The closer your page embedding is to that centroid, the better your chances of ranking.

Close sites = in the race.

They're then re-ranked based on power, topical authority, backlinks and engagement signals on the live serp.

That's SEO in 2026.
well, that's why you're there and I'm here: you speak in SEO, I speak in plain English hopeful that I make some sense and am accurate 50% of the time :)
 
From what I see you definetly got a penalty from google. I think its beacuse of ai contents. Strenght your internal links and write one or two solid data analysis post ( something ai contents cant do. )
He said he humanies AI content. His content should be fine.
 
I'm one of those people who thought that EEAT is a thing, but I never claimed to be an expert (on the contrary) so at least I'm protected in that regard... hopefully :p

Now, the thing that makes me believe that EEAT exists is because google tend to reward sites with official credentials over sites of random, unknown people.

Take the medical industry for example, the sites that tend to rank best most of the time are the ones belonging to hospitals, doctors, etc. And the reason (well, I am assuming that this is the reason, but feel free to prove me wrong) is because google can verify in some way that those sites belong to those entities, which is what EEAT is all about: criminals in hideouts (google) demanding transparency (so, EEAT) from people that have nothing to hide.

And the same applies to local SEO too: the companies that tend to rank better in every industry are the ones who are transparent (so, they provide EEAT signals) with their business (they provide schedules, phone numbers, physical locations, etc.)

So, how can EEAT not exist then? Whether it's called EEAT or something else (trust for example, since this seem to be the SEO buzzword of late, even though EEAT and trust mean the same thing to me) it doesn't matter, something still exists that draws the line for google between which is considered a rankable site in YMYL industries and which one isn't considered a rankable site (yet).


I'd say it's the exception to the rule :)

And let's not forget that these big tech giants are masters of disguise and deceit, they do like to make decoys for deflecting attention, taking pressure away from stuff they might have accidentally screwed, or to lull suspicion away from their shady stuff in general. They're masters at these things...

Anyway, not trying to call you out on this (I wouldn't even dream about it since you're the expert and I'm just a casual), it's just that I'm not fully convinced yet that EEAT doesn't exist. And I also don't trust google enough to never be paranoid about their shady business, that's part of the reason too...


with this I can agree :D


well, that's why you're there and I'm here: you speak in SEO, I speak in plain English hopeful that I make some sense and am accurate 50% of the time :)


It's a case of confusing correlation with causation.

You see sites that look legit, and assume they're ranking because of EEAT signals. They aren't. They're ranking because their page embedding is close to the centroid for the query.

It's all machine learning.

They don't have verification algorithms running to try to verify signals on a site.

Big keywords have manual reviewers and they follow up with reports, so you will not see fake stuff on major keywords.

A thin looking site, with no about page, no signals that look like a real business is not going to match the centroid for a query. The mechanics of the page are wrong.

A more accurate way to say is:

You have to FAKE EEAT signals so when your page is embedded you have the right meaning/signals for the embedding, otherwise, you won't rank.

They don't have to be real. You can put anything. Fake numbers, address, business, staff page, hire us, shipping policy. All total garbage.

You'll almost never see old school thin pages with just content, an author and nothing else rank. THIS is why. It's not that Google has some sort of verification layer for EEAT.

They of course want you to believe that. They aren't going to say that it's just an embedding that's pattern matching on what a trusted site looks like.

I probably shouldn't even say this in public, but it'll get buried in here, so it's fine.
 
They of course want you to believe that. They aren't going to say that it's just an embedding that's pattern matching on what a trusted site looks like.
agreed, they're very sneaky about their stuff, this much I've learned to believe long ago...

Thanks for the clarifications, hopefully I won't forget these by the time I make my next post, my memory is very short lately :)

Cheers!
 
agreed, they're very sneaky about their stuff, this much I've learned to believe long ago...

Thanks for the clarifications, hopefully I won't forget these by the time I make my next post, my memory is very short lately :)

Cheers!

It's also very likely that the page embedding includes things from the site embedding.

Ie, it's not just the content/article. It's what the entire page looks like. Header, footer, menus.

This is why you'll notice, especially in the healthy niche certain types of sites rank, and they're often what looks like small businesses selling something, but writing about health, like https://antioxi-supplements.com/blogs/our-blogs/lions-mane-nerve-repair

This is going incredibly deep and beyond what anyone is talking about though. Everyone is still focused on EEAT and keyword density :-)
 
Ie, it's not just the content/article. It's what the entire page looks like. Header, footer, menus.

This is why you'll notice, especially in the healthy niche certain types of sites rank, and they're often what looks like small businesses selling something, but writing about health, like https://antioxi-supplements.com/blogs/our-blogs/lions-mane-nerve-repair
the footer does have stuff that I always considered to be EEAT signals, though (the Refunds page for example I've heard almost a decade ago that it's an important page for ecommerce sites and that it raises the trust score of the site).

Also, the "Trust" title itself of the 3rd footer section, there has to be something about that too. I mean, Lab reports, reviews, Ingredient standards... IMO all of these sections contribute to the increase of the trust scores of this website (therefore, to the improving of the EEAT score), and whether or not the content of these pages is true it's a different story. But the fact that this website had to create those pages tells me that EEAT signals are still a thing... I'm not sure that a similar site (same niche, same DR and approximate number and quality of backlinks, same or similar content quality and optimization, etc) would rank as well as this site were those footer credentials not there...

While I do believe you that you can rank with fake phone number, staff page, etc (maybe even with fake location too), I will still also continue believing that (at least in some cases) EEAT is needed. There has to be some exceptions for this, just like there are many exceptions with many things google-related :)
 
the footer does have stuff that I always considered to be EEAT signals, though (the Refunds page for example I've heard almost a decade ago that it's an important page for ecommerce sites and that it raises the trust score of the site).

Also, the "Trust" title itself of the 3rd footer section, there has to be something about that too. I mean, Lab reports, reviews, Ingredient standards... IMO all of these sections contribute to the increase of the trust scores of this website (therefore, to the improving of the EEAT score), and whether or not the content of these pages is true it's a different story. But the fact that this website had to create those pages tells me that EEAT signals are still a thing... I'm not sure that a similar site (same niche, same DR and approximate number and quality of backlinks, same or similar content quality and optimization, etc) would rank as well as this site were those footer credentials not there...

While I do believe you that you can rank with fake phone number, staff page, etc (maybe even with fake location too), I will still also continue believing that (at least in some cases) EEAT is needed. There has to be some exceptions for this, just like there are many exceptions with many things google-related :)

There isn't a trust metric.

Google doesn't work like that in 2026. They're so far beyond using metrics for the core ranking now.

That was old school SEO, in the days of "use the main keyword 3 times in the h2's" and such. These are actual 'ranking factors'.

Now, it's machine learning. It's embeddings.

There isn't 1 mathematical algorithmic rule that looks for certain footers, certain words, certain structures, fb pages, yt pages etc.

With each update they're adjusting the models with new data.

They train them to detect the kind of pages and sites that satisfy searchers. That's their primary goal. Satisfied searchers = they come back to google and search more. If people stop being satisfied, they literally will stop using google. You don't use things that don't satisfy the need you need satisfied. (Sounds a bit kinky when you keep saying satisfy!)

There are definitely trusted domains and a seeding mechanism, and trust does flow from there. But there's not trust signals on a site/page basis looking at things on the site/page. Trust can only be gained reliably through links and by seeding initial trust sites.

Each search query has an embedding for an ideal page. This is called the centroid.

The pages that are close to that compete to rank.

So here's the way to understand this:

In the past, Google could only really measure 'relevance' directly by looking at things like keyword usage, h2's and things that you can measure.

They could have in the past looked for certain indicators for trust, and maybe they did.

But today, everything is rolled into embeddings.

The embedding captures not only RELEVANCE, but also trust!

Here's a question:

You're a human.

As a human, can I show you 5 websites and ask you which of them look trustworthy and which don't, without you physically checking if the phone numbers are real?

If you look at a man, and a woman, can you tell me which is the man?

How?

Do you know? Not really..

You can try to quantify it, but you just SEE it.

You can SEE based on all the sites you've seen which look trustworthy and which don't. You can SEE if someone is a man or a woman. (Usually, but this is 2026!)

Embeddings are the same.

They capture relevance, meaning, tone, content, facts, style, trust. They capture EVERYTHING. They are massive tensors representing the page in high dimensional vector space.

Based on real data, Google learns the ideal embedding.

It can then create an embedding for your page, and it does it for your site too to determine other things btw.

It can then simply measure the distance in vector space from your page, to the centroid.

If your page contains high relevance signals, but low trust signals, you fail.

Maybe last week it ranked fine, but they changed the centroid. New data.. New learnings.

Suddenly, your page goes from X distance from the centroid to Y and you drop.

Maybe your site as a whole for the niche goes from X distance to the centroid for the niche to Y, and you're no longer considered a good match for this niche.

They are using multiple different types of centroids. Centroids for pages and your site.

They have a metric called siteRadius and siteFocusScore -- They use the word 'radius' - That's geometry.

If they weren't using embeddings, they wouldn't use that word. It wouldn't make sense. You can't measure the radius with keyword counts.

But they're Google. They are the inventors of the transformer model. They have countless amazing models. It would make no sense for them not to be extensively using the best possible tool available to rank pages, which is machine learning.
 
They train them to detect the kind of pages and sites that satisfy searchers. That's their primary goal. Satisfied searchers = they come back to google and search more. If people stop being satisfied, they literally will stop using google. You don't use things that don't satisfy the need you need satisfied.
this makes sense, but then how can we explain the downfall in search quality that we've been experiencing for the last several years.

I've personally not used google (extensively, because otherwise I do use it once in a blue moon when the other SEs don't provide good results) for years, and part of that (despite of my non-dying hate for this company) is because of the quality of their main product (well, main product as perceived by its users, otherwise google are probably considered something different than search as their main product).

So, it's not just my never-dying hate towards this company, it's also the quality of their main product, which means that me (and most definitely many other users too) are not satisfied by the google product anymore as lots of us have gone to other SEs, which means that things are not quite right despite of the numerous updates which should improve the product, right? Not make it worse...

There are definitely trusted domains and a seeding mechanism, and trust does flow from there. But there's not trust signals on a site/page basis looking at things on the site/page. Trust can only be gained reliably through links and by seeding initial trust sites.
when you say "by seeding" I don't suppose you mean that google are manually labeling sites as being trustworthy, right? This would be ludicrous, but for me - as a non-native English speaker - that's what the word "seeding" means... which is probably where my confusion stems from...

And if it's not manual (which I assume it isn't), then where the heck are they taking the trust signals (I know that you don't call them signals, but I don't have a better word for naming them, so I'll refer to them as signals for now) from? Like, how do they decide which sites are trustworthy in every niche under the Sun??

You mentioned backlinks, so are the backlinks alone what sends trust to a website (based on the relevancy and strength of the site / page that provide the backlink I assume?)

Each search query has an embedding for an ideal page. This is called the centroid.
no idea what those embeddings are, it's the 2nd time I hear you mention them, but I've never heard this term before, so not sure how to interpret it (but don't explain if you don't want to, it's ok!)

Also, from reading your entire post it looks like this centroid thing is the real actor in this whole google ranking thing, everything revolves around that centroid thingy from what I understand :)

Anyway, you mentioned a few technical words and I'm already mentally exhausted, so not going to reply to the rest of your post, but thanks for taking the time to explain, I'm sure that less tired and more techy people will be able to understand what you've said here :)
 
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