High-risk payment processors?

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I havent seen a thread made about this lately, so ill make it.

Anyone knows of a good high-risk payment processor? One that doesnt require you to have a registered company and a high turnaround, and that charges you only on received payments, would be nice.
 
I'm interested about this subject!
This week i did some research and found a high risk merchant working with securionpay.
I sent them an email to see what are they requirements, if they accept me without a company.
 
I'm interested about this subject!
This week i did some research and found a high risk merchant working with securionpay.
I sent them an email to see what are they requirements, if they accept me without a company.

I checked them out. Their fee for high-risk transactions is fair. The 500 euro registration fee is a bit steep, but i guess you cant put a price on peace of mind. But of course, i have no idea if youll actually get peace of mind by using them...

The reason i opened this thread is because, frankly, all the gaypal payoneer transferwise skrill 2checkout, its all bullshit.

Some people love some of them, others hate them. We know they all ban and suspend legitimate people and businesses all day long.

My love goes out to crypto and perfectmoney, but unfortunately they are not enough.

And thats why im asking about a high risk payment processor. They take high fees, and you get on with your business.

Of course, im sure even a high risk payment processor will kick you out if you have lots of chargebacks and ccomplaints. But if your business isnt the highest risk in the world type business, and if your chargeback rate is less than 1%, then a reliable high risk payment processor may be the way to go.

5% on every payment? Take it.
10% rolling reserve? Take it.

This is what i sell, all out in the open. We cool? Yes? Great. Take my money, and ill go drum up some business instead of dicking around with the fucking gaypals of the world.

@BassTrackerBoats @HoNeYBiRD @MisterF @Blackhat Lifter

Thoughts?
 
Stripe will work with you in most cases, depending on your industry.
Try payoneer, or look into crypto solutions.
 
Of course, im sure even a high risk payment processor will kick you out if you have lots of chargebacks and ccomplaints. But if your business isnt the highest risk in the world type business, and if your chargeback rate is less than 1%, then a reliable high risk payment processor may be the way to go.
5% on every payment? Take it.
10% rolling reserve? Take it.
I work with a lot of high risk processors (and also low risk ones) for the past 5 years (and in the payment/anti-fraud business for 11 years now).
My piece of advice will be:
- Be sure your business is really high risk (many people on this forum are convinced they run a high risk business when they dont)
- The MCC (merchant category code = your business vertical, for instance, Gambling = 7995) is sometimes more important than your chargeback rates.
You have many tricks to decrease chargebacks (service chargebacks or fraud ones) and a good high risk processor will be able to guide you (I had constant and controlled 5-6% chargeback rate on some websites)
- Do not work with PayPal, Stripe or any PSP not aware of what you process. You need to work with a PSP/processor aware of your real business to avoid being shut down with no warning. You have many PSPs on the market willing to take high risk merchants and it depends on the risk level and your acitivity.
- As Scorpion Ghost said, if they offer you 5% MDR + 10% reserve, TAKE IT. A PSP will accept you because they will generate a good margin. If a PSP offers you a Stripe pricing, (lets say 1.5-2%), GO AWAY. It means they have no clue about the risk therefore will stop your account one day without warning. I saw people losing 100-150k a lot of money because of it.
PS: A decent volume for the avg PSP starts at 200K per month, I see a lot of people talking to a processor like their monthly 30K volume is huge. For them, it is a tiny volume whicj means a tiny margin. Try to convince them about your expansion, how your 30K will become 150K because of X, Y, Z (business plan works well).
- If you do not own a company or own one in an exotic country (ex: Seychelles, HK, Singapore, etc.), you will have some issues to find a processor. Try to have a clean company setup before applying.
- When you apply for opening an account, ask the provider to which acquirer they introduce your application. You need to avoid having 4 processors asking the same acquirer/bank to open your connection. The acquirer/bank will find it suspicious and might not accept any of the application.
- If you start to generate a consequent volume, try to open 2 merchant accounts with 2 different processors. You need to use the two of them. Do not open one as a back-up to use it in case of emergencies. Inactive merchant accounts are closed after a certain period of time.
- Avoid Chinese processors. High & hidden fees (like random FX fees to be paid in your currency), uncertainty to be paid, impossible to go after them. A lot of stress at the end.

I hope it can help
 
I work with a lot of high risk processors (and also low risk ones) for the past 5 years (and in the payment/anti-fraud business for 11 years now).
My piece of advice will be:
- Be sure your business is really high risk (many people on this forum are convinced they run a high risk business when they dont)
- The MCC (merchant category code = your business vertical, for instance, Gambling = 7995) is sometimes more important than your chargeback rates.
You have many tricks to decrease chargebacks (service chargebacks or fraud ones) and a good high risk processor will be able to guide you (I had constant and controlled 5-6% chargeback rate on some websites)
- Do not work with PayPal, Stripe or any PSP not aware of what you process. You need to work with a PSP/processor aware of your real business to avoid being shut down with no warning. You have many PSPs on the market willing to take high risk merchants and it depends on the risk level and your acitivity.
- As Scorpion Ghost said, if they offer you 5% MDR + 10% reserve, TAKE IT. A PSP will accept you because they will generate a good margin. If a PSP offers you a Stripe pricing, (lets say 1.5-2%), GO AWAY. It means they have no clue about the risk therefore will stop your account one day without warning. I saw people losing 100-150k a lot of money because of it.
PS: A decent volume for the avg PSP starts at 200K per month, I see a lot of people talking to a processor like their monthly 30K volume is huge. For them, it is a tiny volume whicj means a tiny margin. Try to convince them about your expansion, how your 30K will become 150K because of X, Y, Z (business plan works well).
- If you do not own a company or own one in an exotic country (ex: Seychelles, HK, Singapore, etc.), you will have some issues to find a processor. Try to have a clean company setup before applying.
- When you apply for opening an account, ask the provider to which acquirer they introduce your application. You need to avoid having 4 processors asking the same acquirer/bank to open your connection. The acquirer/bank will find it suspicious and might not accept any of the application.
- If you start to generate a consequent volume, try to open 2 merchant accounts with 2 different processors. You need to use the two of them. Do not open one as a back-up to use it in case of emergencies. Inactive merchant accounts are closed after a certain period of time.
- Avoid Chinese processors. High & hidden fees (like random FX fees to be paid in your currency), uncertainty to be paid, impossible to go after them. A lot of stress at the end.

I hope it can help
Hi. Can you provide me with your email? I have a few questions. thanks
[email protected]
 
I work with a lot of high risk processors (and also low risk ones) for the past 5 years (and in the payment/anti-fraud business for 11 years now).
My piece of advice will be:
- Be sure your business is really high risk (many people on this forum are convinced they run a high risk business when they dont)
- The MCC (merchant category code = your business vertical, for instance, Gambling = 7995) is sometimes more important than your chargeback rates.
You have many tricks to decrease chargebacks (service chargebacks or fraud ones) and a good high risk processor will be able to guide you (I had constant and controlled 5-6% chargeback rate on some websites)
- Do not work with PayPal, Stripe or any PSP not aware of what you process. You need to work with a PSP/processor aware of your real business to avoid being shut down with no warning. You have many PSPs on the market willing to take high risk merchants and it depends on the risk level and your acitivity.
- As Scorpion Ghost said, if they offer you 5% MDR + 10% reserve, TAKE IT. A PSP will accept you because they will generate a good margin. If a PSP offers you a Stripe pricing, (lets say 1.5-2%), GO AWAY. It means they have no clue about the risk therefore will stop your account one day without warning. I saw people losing 100-150k a lot of money because of it.
PS: A decent volume for the avg PSP starts at 200K per month, I see a lot of people talking to a processor like their monthly 30K volume is huge. For them, it is a tiny volume whicj means a tiny margin. Try to convince them about your expansion, how your 30K will become 150K because of X, Y, Z (business plan works well).
- If you do not own a company or own one in an exotic country (ex: Seychelles, HK, Singapore, etc.), you will have some issues to find a processor. Try to have a clean company setup before applying.
- When you apply for opening an account, ask the provider to which acquirer they introduce your application. You need to avoid having 4 processors asking the same acquirer/bank to open your connection. The acquirer/bank will find it suspicious and might not accept any of the application.
- If you start to generate a consequent volume, try to open 2 merchant accounts with 2 different processors. You need to use the two of them. Do not open one as a back-up to use it in case of emergencies. Inactive merchant accounts are closed after a certain period of time.
- Avoid Chinese processors. High & hidden fees (like random FX fees to be paid in your currency), uncertainty to be paid, impossible to go after them. A lot of stress at the end.

I hope it can help

Sorry for the late reply. Thanks for the comment, you really laid it out nicely.

- I'm pretty sure what I do is high risk. Social media services, likes, followers, etc. I'm sure you've aware of those services.
- Chargeback rates are not a concern for me. I barely ever get any. Certainly, way less than 1% of my sales. I am Very hands on with what I do.
- Ain't that the truth about gaypal and stripe. Totally unpredictable and you can never sleep easy with them.

So here's what I'd like to know. Are there any (high risk) payment processors that will accept you if you don't have a registered company? Also, let's say your sales are less than $1,000-2,000/mo
 
For regular business like mine ( ecommerce of regular product, dropshipping with good shipping time ), why Stripe close my account because i'm " high risk business" ?
What do I need to put on my website to need being banned by stripe ?
I already have all the legal pages in my website, with good company, branded monoproduct website


Do you have a list of others good payment gateway to work with ? Who accept high risk business.

Thanks a lot !
 
For regular business like mine ( ecommerce of regular product, dropshipping with good shipping time ), why Stripe close my account because i'm " high risk business" ?
What do I need to put on my website to need being banned by stripe ?
I already have all the legal pages in my website, with good company, branded monoproduct website


Do you have a list of others good payment gateway to work with ? Who accept high risk business.

Thanks a lot !

Try authorize.net
 
trustpilot review have so much negative comments
I dont know about their reviews. I read an article about them in Torrentfreak that many torrent and shady sites use them for payment processing. You can search in torrentfreak.
 
For regular business like mine ( ecommerce of regular product, dropshipping with good shipping time ), why Stripe close my account because i'm " high risk business" ?
What do I need to put on my website to need being banned by stripe ?
I already have all the legal pages in my website, with good company, branded monoproduct website


Do you have a list of others good payment gateway to work with ? Who accept high risk business.

Thanks a lot !
If you do everything by the book, and your chargeback rate is minimal, you should be fine.
 
lol some people talked about Stripe. They will keep some part of your revenue if your chargeback rate gets higher than 1%. Yes, just 1% !
And they will auto ban if you get higher than %10.

How I know ? I experienced myself....
 
@Scorpion Ghost what did you settle with? Were you able to find an high-risk payment processor?

I settled with crypto, perfectmoney, webmoney and payeer.

So my website is dead :D

hahahaha

No but, I guess the plan would be to register a company, then apply to high-risk payment processors, and try to do it like that.

But I'm real busy making money right now, so I don't have time to pursue that at the moment :p
 
I work with a lot of high risk processors (and also low risk ones) for the past 5 years (and in the payment/anti-fraud business for 11 years now).
My piece of advice will be:
- Be sure your business is really high risk (many people on this forum are convinced they run a high risk business when they dont)
- The MCC (merchant category code = your business vertical, for instance, Gambling = 7995) is sometimes more important than your chargeback rates.
You have many tricks to decrease chargebacks (service chargebacks or fraud ones) and a good high risk processor will be able to guide you (I had constant and controlled 5-6% chargeback rate on some websites)
- Do not work with PayPal, Stripe or any PSP not aware of what you process. You need to work with a PSP/processor aware of your real business to avoid being shut down with no warning. You have many PSPs on the market willing to take high risk merchants and it depends on the risk level and your acitivity.
- As Scorpion Ghost said, if they offer you 5% MDR + 10% reserve, TAKE IT. A PSP will accept you because they will generate a good margin. If a PSP offers you a Stripe pricing, (lets say 1.5-2%), GO AWAY. It means they have no clue about the risk therefore will stop your account one day without warning. I saw people losing 100-150k a lot of money because of it.
PS: A decent volume for the avg PSP starts at 200K per month, I see a lot of people talking to a processor like their monthly 30K volume is huge. For them, it is a tiny volume whicj means a tiny margin. Try to convince them about your expansion, how your 30K will become 150K because of X, Y, Z (business plan works well).
- If you do not own a company or own one in an exotic country (ex: Seychelles, HK, Singapore, etc.), you will have some issues to find a processor. Try to have a clean company setup before applying.
- When you apply for opening an account, ask the provider to which acquirer they introduce your application. You need to avoid having 4 processors asking the same acquirer/bank to open your connection. The acquirer/bank will find it suspicious and might not accept any of the application.
- If you start to generate a consequent volume, try to open 2 merchant accounts with 2 different processors. You need to use the two of them. Do not open one as a back-up to use it in case of emergencies. Inactive merchant accounts are closed after a certain period of time.
- Avoid Chinese processors. High & hidden fees (like random FX fees to be paid in your currency), uncertainty to be paid, impossible to go after them. A lot of stress at the end.

I hope it can help
Very good comment, especially about Stripe and PSP
 
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