Hiding IP and Mac address
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Greetings!
I wanted to write a PM to you, but it did not allow me so I will post it in this topic.
Of course anybody is free to answer it, I just adressed it to JFoulds because reading his posts I felt he is competent enough to give a precise answer.
I would like to ask you a few simple questions about MAC addresses and "hiding" them.
I have a cable modem that my ISP gave me. This modem is connected to a router and my PC is connected to the router.
This is my internet connection setup.
I have a software that I use regularly, I will call this software "client". This is not a web browser and it is capable to run any code on my machine.
This client collects information about my PC and sends it to it's server.
I know that at least 1 MAC address is part of this information.
However I don't know which device's MAC address it collects.
I'm sure it is possible for it to get my computer's network interface's (LAN card) MAC.
I'd like to ask these questions:
Is it possible for a software that runs on a PC to get those network device's MAC addresses that are "behind" the PC's network card, like the router's MAC?
If yes, "how far" can it detect those MAC adresses? If I put a switch or another router between my first router and the PC will it be able to detect the MAC's of all the devices or only the one's that is directly connected to the PC's network card?
Thank you in advance for your answer!
PeterT
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- Oct 19, 2013
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Actually my friend you are very wrong. Mainstream belief is that Mac Addresses do not cross broadcast domains (router). Although this is true as far as your personal computer, the Mac Address is exchanged once again of the router you're using which is connecting you to your ISPs centralized server and CAN be discovered via packet forensics. But that's tinfoil hat talk and requires control over multiple nodes ;3 Anyways where TMAC or any other Mac Address spoofing software comes in handy is if law enforcement or your ISP traces the malicious traffic back to your modem, views the logs on your modem which contain logs of all connections (Including Mac Addresses). Meaning it's nearly impossible to prove the traffic DIDN'T come from a user which hacked into your network since the Mac Address is different from the one on your PC/Laptops NIC. IMO the safest/easiest way to be relatively anonymous would be to use a VM, change network settings so it's assigned it's own IP address (hence not NATing off yours), use a mac changer of your liking with a VPN and a socks proxy and for god sakes make sure java is disabled, or better yet just use noscript if your REALLY paranoid. But let's be honest, if the NSA wants you, they'll catch you. They caught the owner of Silkroad, a man who swore he was had god like anonymizing skills.
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wellnessnot11
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VPN is good. But, if you need to hide, and repeat, you need to spoof MAC address. No question.
hope all of ud b nice on my 2c
i understand the challenge of true anonymity, my headaches date back from 96.
was impossible then, n it's still so.
'every' single component of the computer you are using has an embedded serial number.
a unique id that cannot be altered.
if you swim in the http protocol, you leave a stamp of some component of your hardware with authorities to match and identify.
now, serious agents after you would somehow get their hands on this and id you.
networks are growing by the nano second, exchanging your information with other networks for their revenue.
your info is virtually hanging everywhere.
every binary bit of info thats relates to your activity will sort on its own and be stored in a folder named after you.
couple of years back, (2011) a forum dedicated for something i cant tell had a solution that did the impossible, spoof every hardcoded hardware unique. that engineering was spectacular.
after one of the periodic updates, coded to destroy the program.
sense it was serious business.
find that darn thing and my cpa earnings will hit the millions again.
the only way for true anonymity is securing a laptop bought with cash by someone other than yourself, and leave no trace, not a single digital bit.
sadly, vpns and mac spoof wont do the job. thats kids playing programming and people making money off you. wake up.
one of my secrets.
all the bad business outsourced.
on elance for $2.50/hr.
i understand the challenge of true anonymity, my headaches date back from 96.
was impossible then, n it's still so.
'every' single component of the computer you are using has an embedded serial number.
a unique id that cannot be altered.
if you swim in the http protocol, you leave a stamp of some component of your hardware with authorities to match and identify.
now, serious agents after you would somehow get their hands on this and id you.
networks are growing by the nano second, exchanging your information with other networks for their revenue.
your info is virtually hanging everywhere.
every binary bit of info thats relates to your activity will sort on its own and be stored in a folder named after you.
couple of years back, (2011) a forum dedicated for something i cant tell had a solution that did the impossible, spoof every hardcoded hardware unique. that engineering was spectacular.
after one of the periodic updates, coded to destroy the program.
sense it was serious business.
find that darn thing and my cpa earnings will hit the millions again.
the only way for true anonymity is securing a laptop bought with cash by someone other than yourself, and leave no trace, not a single digital bit.
sadly, vpns and mac spoof wont do the job. thats kids playing programming and people making money off you. wake up.
one of my secrets.
all the bad business outsourced.
on elance for $2.50/hr.
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Funny how anyone takes MAC addresses seriously as far as Internet security goes, because it can be changed and cloned and spoofed(and you name it).
MAC addresses are supposed to be a tool for local network routing, not anything else. I have no idea how javascript can find your MAC address from within the browser sandbox, but in any case, if you're using Linux or any other real operating system, MAC can be made to be anything, as the manufacturers never intended it to be secure or unique.
MAC addresses are supposed to be a tool for local network routing, not anything else. I have no idea how javascript can find your MAC address from within the browser sandbox, but in any case, if you're using Linux or any other real operating system, MAC can be made to be anything, as the manufacturers never intended it to be secure or unique.
darkrobe
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I think someone who says "You cannot catch me" is pretty much lining themselves up to be found
This thread has been educational to say the least. Best way in my opinion is to use someone else's computer and network. That pretty much has no chance of leading back to you. Of course you don't want to get caught doing that either. One way would be remote control program like Teamviewer (leaves pop up after you exit on the screen but way around that is just reboot the pc as the last thing you do) on someone you aren't too fond of who leaves their pc on all the time and set it to lock out the local user's keyboard and mouse and make the screen black. You probably would have to also use this method in the middle of the night so they aren't trying to use it at the same time. Then set a scheduled task to run at PC start up that uses a secure delete program to delete the Teamviewer logs. That way if they ever do come to kick the door in it won't be yours
Jonny Quick
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JFoulds is too well-informed and argues too passionately in favor of the existence of electronic privacy for him to be anyone other than Law Enforcement. Or a fat, holster-sniffing wannabe. People believe his illogical bullshit at their own risk. His retarded argument boils down to simply claiming that technologically they (the government) can't, until you prove that technologically they can, and then the cunt says they won't, because it would be illegal.
There's nothing more substantive behind his posts than that. He really wants you to believe that government is going to obey the law, and not violate the law in order to enforce the law upon people that are breaking the law.
And if you believe that, you are as retarded as he is, and deserve to be put in prison when you get caught, and probably by a soft, pudgy government parasite just like him. The core of his argument is that our collective privacy and anonymity is safe because our government is protecting it, when in fact our government has been illegally gathering personal information on it's citizens for years, and then using that information to blackmail elected officials into voting in ways and doing official acts that they might not otherwise do, such as passing Nationalized Health Care, and refusing to prosecute the Attorney General for selling automatic weapons to the Mexican Drug Cartel.
This is a Black Hat forum. We presume to ignore certain standards and prohibitions and do things our own way and for our own reasons, and collectively all of our activities pose some risk to us as individuals. Stupid people that choose this path get caught, ergo by committing ourselves to these black hat actions we are implicitly stating our belief in our superiority. And superior is as superior does, and what superior does NOT do is pay attention to and give credence to dribbling retards that advocate in favor of the protection of a State that has only it's own survival and quality of life in mind. We rejected that shit a long time ago, way back there. If we believed in complying with authority and doing what we were told, we wouldn't be on a black hat forum to begin with. At least that's how it should be. JFoulds doesn't belong here. He lacks the blackhat values, and he is intellectually weak and has an overwhelming desire to please and serve authority, and look like a big-shot while doing it. Improving the quality of his own life at the expense of the people he claims to protect and serve. Depriving them of their life's resources in order to enrich himself, and using the power of the State to do it. And that's not a black hat, that's a cop.
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