HAF Purge

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  1. Toz

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    There should be a purge of the HAF section. New members are often encouraged to use the Search function, but there are a lot of historical scammers and/or inactive members that offered paid "help", at some point. Those posts are still visible and they will still take your money.
     
  2. elavmunretea

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    The HAF and WTb sections are dead since they introduced the JrVip-only rule, anyway.

    However, those who have scammed in the past are banned anyway so their banner & broken account link should be enough to deter members.
     
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    I guess if there are particular ones where it’s still possible someone could be scammed then you could report the individual threads if you come across them.
     
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    This is true, that things have slowed down since implementing the Jr. VIP+ response permissions, however, there are possibly thousands of HAF replies that are easily found via Search. Also true that the people caught scamming, have been banned on their known account(s). I cannot argue against that. I'm talking about the ones who have not been caught and/or have posts that can easily grab the attention of some novice that's looking to get someone to perform some task for them, for a stipend. I'm also not only referring to the more extreme cases, such as this, where some newbie may be scammed, simply by not knowing prices. But how about the more subtle approaches, such as trying to lure someone into a Skype chat, like this. Also, you can go through both these threads and find tons of examples of people selling outside the marketplace. A purge would ideally eliminate all these posts.

    I understand, and congratulations on your promotion, by the way! The problem is that there are just so many of these. I could go through the HAF section, reporting all these posts, but there are so many, I'd like to be assured the mods wouldn't take issue with me doing so. It will be quite the task, but because of the search results pulling up these posts and these threads, I feel such a purge is needed, if we are to trim down the SL section and provide a better quality of life, here at BHW.
     
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    HaF & WTB sections may be much quieter since the jr vip only rule was introduced but I've noticed the shitlist section is a little less active as well.
     
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    if anything else, that can only be a good thing.
     
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    Why would those sections be dead? Still anyone can start a thread, there are 20 threads posted on a daily basis on both, give or take. This wasn't more before the rule was introduced half a year ago. If you see threads with no replies, it doesn't mean that no-one PMed the OP. There are less replies for sure, but with the Jr. VIP only rule the spam/scam was reduced to minimum, that's what happened and i guess the quality of the provided services also went up a bit. This change is actually one of the best things which happened to the forum in the past few years.
     
  8. elavmunretea

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    Just because there are still threads posted does not mean that it is active. I am talking about the likelihood of posting & actually hiring a freelancer. You can't just say "yeah there are no replies but they will just PM people" because you have no idea if that is the case at all and, if it is, that's worrying as it just means that non-Jr.Vips are getting around the ban easily and more potential scammers aren't being called out.

    Sure, there are fewer scams. But there are also wayyyy fewer deals. It's like if I was the leader of a country and I kicked 90% of the population. There would be less crime, granted, but would there be proportionally less? We don't know.

    Anyway, that's not really the point of the thread. I was just mentioning it because the sub-forum is not used as much as it was so a massive job (like going through threads and deleting suspicious posts) would probably be a bigger effort than it is worth.
     
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    That's a wild assumption. Fewer deals what we can see for sure, but we can't see behind the curtains, what we can see is that there are less public replies and that's it. The same job can be fulfilled by a more skilled person now and the possibility to get scammed is less. That's what is "wayyyy" less, not the amount of deals. There are "wayyyy fewer" deals with the wrong people. Non-vips can trick the system of course, but when they do and if it turns out, they get punished. The system is not fool proof, but it's "wayyyy" better than before.

    And yes, just because threads are getting posted means that the section is still active, if it weren't, there wouldn't be the same amount of threads posted as what it was posted before the rule was introduced in June last year, there should be a decline by now. People still start threads there with the same frequency as before, deals must still happen. How many in comparison to pre-Jr. VIP-only rule? I guess we will never know that, but it's not "wayyyy" less, that's for sure.

    I see you like to exaggerate things by calling a section dead or using expressions like "wayyyy fewer", maybe use less strong words and you'll have some truth.

    But this is not the point of this thread, we can agree on that.
     
  10. elavmunretea

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    Before the rule was introduced:

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    I think it's safe to assume that fewer deals are done. If like you say, deals are done straight in PM without replying then that is proof that the whole thing is a waste of time. It was introduced to stop scammers. But all it means is that scammers are just going to PM members directly. Before when they posted on threads we could at least identify a lot of scammers but now we have no chance.

    # of threads posted means nothing. It is the # of members who get their request met that matters and that is something that we cannot measure but, by using decent logic we can assume that fewer deals are done as the amount of active freelancers is considerably smaller.

    Probably the most ignorant comment of them all. Being JrVip does not make you skilled, it means you have $100. Looking at the most frequent contributors to this section currently, I think it's safe to say that they are not the best in their field.
     
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    Jr. VIPs are required to be on the forum for a specific amount of time, if nothing else this alone makes them more experienced than those newbies who registered yesterday to spam the HAF and WTB sections applying for every job they don't have the skills to be able to provide. Time wasting is often as bad as getting scammed. The forum had a fare share of this before the Jr. VIP-only rule, maybe you aren't here long enough and haven't noticed it. This is what i was referring to when i said that Jr. VIPs are more skilled normally. It was a time-consuming hassle for the person who posted the HaF or WTB thread to weed through all the useless providers and find the right one, while paying attention not to get scammed. Often a close to impossible mission. This is not happening anymore or a lot rarely.
    If you're the best on your field, usually you can cough up $100 to buy Jr. VIP when you're eligible, support the forum and besides other perks have the ability to respond to HaF or WTB requests. Not everyone is interested in service providing, but if you are and you're good, you can surely afford $100. It's an investment with a nice ROI opportunity for people with the right skill- and mind-sets. Expecting something for nothing is not the right mind-set. BHW provides you the platform for direct money making in the sections in question, if you (think you can) make money off of it, support it.

    Fewer deals are done, yes. No-one is arguing with that, but "wayyyy fewer"? I don't think so. Most jobs require only one provider. Before the rule there were 10 or even more providers for the same job, a good portion with questionable skill- and mind-sets with the constant possibility of getting scammed or "just" time wasted, now there are 2-3 (usually more skilled) providers for the same job (once again, if there is no reply, it doesn't mean that no VIP responded to the OP or no deal had been made) in a more secure environment.

    It wasn't good how it was before the rule, it is better now, but i guess there's no perfect solution to this. Besides VIPs maybe allow regular members with a specific amount of posts (i.e. 500 posts) and a specific amount of time on the forum (i.e. 1 year) to reply there. In case if it's technically possible at all on the present platform and the owner doesn't want to keep this a VIP-only perk. But this is a topic of another thread.