I'm a newbie to both black ht SEO and your forum. I found your posts tremendously educational. I'd also like to say that I have noticed a pattern that the black hat community tends to be a lot more scientific with their approaches to learning how search engines and community websites work. I turned to the "dark arts" because of all the faith preaching that happens on the white hat sites... for example "submit articles and traffic will come" or "the best way to build links is to contact web masters and offer a link exchange"... just makes me want to hurl. I like empirical research and testable hypothesis and my favorite thing in the world is reproducible results. While you efforts are for profits, your methods are for science, knowledge, and understanding. In addition to that, the existence of this forum proves your intention is education to the extent that the knowledge is shared. FYI... you probably know and don't care, but your whitehat webmaster tools are mostly broken. I doubt anyone would care if that section just went away or was changed into a tools forum category so it could evolve with the times... just a thought. I am looking forward to contributing some empirically discovered wisdom that has reproducible results... when and if I get anything you don't already know. Thanks much! Keep up the good work!