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[GOTCHA] NoMoreScams Pulling a Scam - Oh The Irony =)

Discussion in 'Site Flipping' started by kvmcable, Aug 28, 2013.

  1. kvmcable

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    About a week ago an Skype friend with a serious smoking problem :) showed me a listing on Flippa and asked me if I thought it was a scam. I don't do much on Flippa these days but thought I'd take a quick glance.


    I went to the link he provided: https://flippa.com/2962570-pr-4-site-with-150-000-uniques-mo-making-2-587-mo-no-reserve-1-opening-bid
    and immediately saw the title:


    PR 4 Site with 150,000 uniques/mo making $2,587/mo - NO RESERVE! $1 OPENING BID.


    I looked at his Alexa count and saw it said 10,679,386!

    SCAM I told my friend - no further research necessary. While I know Alexa isn't an exact metric it certainly isn't this far off. The seller claims he's getting 150K uniques a month and has an Alexa count more inline of a website that gets about 1000 visitors a month? SCAM


    So a few days went by and my friend reposted the link and now the listing has bids in the $800 range and he asked me once again to take a look as maybe I missed something. So this time I pulled out my list of resources and decided to prove this was nothing but a scam listing.


    Besides the Alexa point I already made I looked at the PR4 rating and went to investigate his link profile. Well guess what? There isn't a link profile. There is one link with an Asian anchor text first seen a year ago and that website is dead (doesn't resolve). So this domain doesn't have valid PR. A valid PR4 website has a solid backlink profile of some sort. Here is the backlink profile of this website:


    https://www.majesticseo.com/reports/site-explorer/summary/hh1g.com?oq=hh1g.com&IndexDataSource=H


    I went on my normal investigative routine and did a site:hh1g.com search. A total of 83 pages were indexed on Aug 22, in Google with 30 of those being document:write errors dated August 10, 2013. Clearly this site hasn't been running anywhere near the 14 months the seller has claimed with only about 50 indexed pages that weren't errors and nothing dated older than August 2013. Now I was curious just how old this website really was. Today's google shows a few more indexed pages but again they are all recent.


    https://www.google.com/search?q=sit....com&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=159


    Next I dug into Google cache which is a great resource for buyers to investigate suspect domains. Google cache has since updated in the last few days but when I looked on 8/22 it showed this domain was parked on GoDaddy and was an auction domain on August 5, 2013. Well now the pieces are coming together. So that is why Alexa was 10M and the total indexed pages in Google SERPs had 83 total links on 8/22. Well I should have taken a snapshot of the Google cache page showing it parked because now its updated to the website we see today. but we still have other free options to verify this is a new website and the seller's claims are complete bullshit.


    I did a search on archive.org and sure enough there is the website with a recent snapshot dated June 3, 2013


    http://web.archive.org/web/20130603020034/http://hh1g.com/


    Notice the appearance of the website and lack of monetization? Clearly in June this website had no ads and no script calculating website values. Now look at the seller's proof and claims of traffic / revenue from this website. I won't bore you with all the research you can do with that old website but clearly just two months ago this domain was in the hands of a different owner and without any monetization at all. Again this fits the all the metrics we can verify and contradicts what the seller is claiming.


    With just 83 pages indexed on August 22, 2013 I looked to see just how many website lookups had been done by his script. Each website lookup creates a new webpage on this domain for Google to index. On August 22, this website had a total of 316 website lookups. Hardly the number you'd expect from a website with 150,000 unique visitors each month over the last year. Since August 22 he's increased this by about another 700 lookups and today the current total lookup of this website is 1,012.


    http://hh1g.com/recent.php?page=51


    Now that we know the website is brand new lets look over the seller's traffic and revenue proof.


    https://flippa.com/auctions/2962570/attachments/892491.PNG


    Look closely at the Views column and notice under Views there are 3 sub-columns (Total, Unique, %). Now take a calculator and try to figure out how in the hell those percentages were derived. In January he claims 320,109 total views, 100,499 Unique views calculating 9.7% of the traffic was unique. Well no. If those numbers were true (and we know they're not) then his Uniques were 31.40% of this total traffic. You can calculate all the other errors but again, his numbers don't work. Of course, we know this website is just 2 weeks old so all this information is complete bullshit.


    There is plenty more that could be researched but suffice to say this website and listing is a complete scam.


    Now the reason I spent all this time on this listing, other than the prodding of a friend, is because of the seller's name. Here he's about to poke someone straight in the ass and calling himself nomorescams


    I feel sorry for the buyer that ends up with his 2 week old website.
     
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  2. Exaalion

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    c47d121b7450e3d11bd2f113e57c267f.png I don't have a smoking problem..

    Detective KVM though... dat girl from Flippa should read this and close the listing before the poor buyer dashes big bucks

    Ohh.. his advertiser network just banned him
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  3. Peter Ngo

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    you read it wrong, it should be "Nooooo!!!! More Scams!! muahhahahahahahahaha"
     
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  4. kvmcable

    kvmcable Supreme Member

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    Isn't that the truth!
     
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    Man that went deep. Thanks for making us all aware of this scammer.
     
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  6. SPQR

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    Hey, great research kvmcable. I also feel really bad for the suckers who bid $5k. These are overall very amazing tips to follow before buying on Flippa, or any other website buy/sell site. I will defiantly refer back to this from time to time... Bookmarked!
     
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    Remove adhitz from your website :loco:
     
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    but site still on bid?
     
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  9. incognito876

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    Funny thing is when you put hhg1.com into the site's own "What's Your Site Worth" box, it comes up at $0 :D

    He's stuck CB ads on it now.
     
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  10. kvmcable

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    Yeah I forgot to mention as one commenter did on the listing that his AdHitz account is only a few weeks old (est August 11, 2013), yet he posted screenshots claiming all this revenue this website earned before he even had an AdHitz account.

    http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2agqe50&s=5

    Everything falls in line with this site being built around August 10, 2013. Nothing supports the seller's claim.
     
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    alexa is now 500K for the site
     
  12. kvmcable

    kvmcable Supreme Member

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    NoMoreScams is no more seller on Flippa (well at least not with that account).

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  13. meathead1234

    meathead1234 Moderator Staff Member Moderator Premium Member

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    Yeah, I reported it and it was removed. Scammers don't help the industry at all and gives those of us who do this for a living a bad name.
     
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  14. yuuzokun

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    Lol, good move meathead, you've helped that poor guy with 5K bid
     
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