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Got in trouble with my internet provider...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Jabong82, Apr 18, 2011.

  1. Jabong82

    Jabong82 Power Member

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    So I been blasting away for months now with Scrapebox and I think my home internet provider finally caught up with me and suspended my account :)

    So I'm guessing the next move is for a VPS?

    Also will I get in trouble too if I use a VPS and get shut down too?

    And finally, what is a good amount of bandwidth/ram I need to run like 3 instances of Scrapebox?

    Thanks in advance.

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  2. Autumn

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    That's why god invented proxies!

    Regardless of whether you're using your home line or a VPS / server, you should always, always use proxies when you're link spamming, both to give yourself a buffer from complaints and also to make it more difficult for sites to block you on an IP basis. I'm not an SB user but I believe it has a proxy harvesting and checking module, give it a try.
     
  3. Jabong82

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    Dude I use 25 private proxies with my SB setup.
     
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    Yes

    Each XP VPS needs about 400MB of ram. Bandwidth isn't a ton unless you run link checker or slow poster.

    And get in trouble with who? You should get a bulletproof host...check the special offers in this forum. I think its BST (Buy sell trade) not sure.
     
  5. Jabong82

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    I mean get in trouble with the internet provider. Not legally, but I don't want my internet to get shutdown as it disrupts the flow of business.
     
  6. Autumn

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    If you got in trouble with your ISP, either you're doing it wrong, or your proxies are shit.
     
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    When you use a VPS it'll be hosted at another company. You don't want to run this off your home PC any longer or you will get blocked - VPS or not. All they see is traffic from your IP address and will smack you down if it's too much.

    There are tons of VPS providers for dirt cheap. We have full dedicated large servers so I can't point you in the right direction. You can search for 'scrapebox vps' on here and turn up a couple of likely places.
     
  8. efwebs

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    I posted about this the other day. Comcast has a 250gb/month limit on all residential policies. They warn you if you go over, but will drop your service if you do it again within 6 months. I switched over to business class and there is no cap, and the customer service is better.

    Plus, it's the same cost, $59/month (plus $5 to rent some special equipment they said you have to have for their business class service).

    With a 1 year contract there is no installation fee.

    Just an option if it was comcast that threw you to the curb.
     
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    He got in trouble because he was using too much bandwidth, not because he was doing anything sketchy.
     
  10. Jabong82

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    Hey thanks for the response. The provider was ATT.

    However I'm probably gonna go to a VPS as I have been thinkin about making that leap for a while now.

    I'm thinkin multiple VPSs, each having 2 instances of scrapebox.

    Anyone have any suggestions of VPS requirements and/or companies they can recommend?

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    No worries, I crashed and overloaded my ISPs servers for my whole region. Believe me, your problem is nothing.
     
  12. flibbertigibbet

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    Not necessarily. :) You can know how to use Scrapebox and be using private proxies and still be caught by your ISP.... It's which addons you're using and how much bandwidth you use that gets you into trouble. Specific addons like the Slow Commenter and the Link Checker take up a LOT of bandwidth in a short amount of time. Provided that you don't use these much (or at all) on your home internet connection, you'll be fine. Some providers do have a bandwidth limit per month, and if you fall out of the normal residential range or business range for bandwidth, they will start snooping around. The best thing to do if you're worried about losing your internet service is to get a VPS or if you can't afford one, find a local wi-fi hotspot (Starbucks, McDonalds, any coffee shop) and blast THERE or check links THERE instead. :)
     
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    I just talked to my internet provider and restored my internet. It def was scrapebox because they had asked me about specific spam mail which related to sites I was working on.

    This is I guess sort of alarming though as I ALWAYS use proxies, though they were still able to trace it.

    I use Squid Proxies though, so I dunno maybe it was a faulty proxy issue? I thought that proxies were supposed to prevent stuff like this from happening.

    Also if I move my operations to a VPS, will I run into problems again with my home connection?

    I'm new to this whole VPS thing, any help is appreciated.
     
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    Or just don't try to spam off your home connection and stump up for some real connectivity? :D

    Most of the rest of the world doesn't use "unlimited" plans and we have to pay for our transfer by the GB, so it didn't even occur to me that he would get booted for excessive bandwidth usage.

    Yep sounds like you got a bung proxy in there somewhere, that's why you have to always check and recheck your anonymity while you're spamming to make sure your IP isn't slipping through in any http headers. Don't ever trust a proxy even if you've paid for it - you really have to check.

    If you move to a VPS, then the sites you're spamming won't have any way of knowing what your home ISP is, so you're safe. You may very well get complaints to your VPS provider though, so always keep backups and be ready to move quickly. It's substantially easier to move to a new host than it is to get a new ISP account though.
     
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    I always just ran it off my home connection as I've been doin so for about six months now and never had a problem. So I guess times a changin! lol.
     
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    Paying per GB is absurd.

    I can't believe that is even allowed! WTF.

    Glad I live in Canada where they've blocked that sort of shit.. At least for the time being...

    Bell and Shaw are trying very hard to charge on a usage base, but so far they are unsuccessful.

    If I had to pay by GB I'd be broke as a joke! Yikes..

    I just upgraded to 10mb/sec connection speed and I LOVE maxing it out! :cool:
     
  17. Jabong82

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    So I'm thinkin of purchasin a VPS

    Lookin at this one for $50/mo

    2GB RAM
    500GB HDD
    30Mbps unmetered
    5 IP Addresses


    Are these specs enough to run 2 instances of Scrapebox?
     
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    The thing is that your bandwidth isn't really "unlimited" because if you start being a hog compared to the other customers, the ISP will just shape your bandwidth to slow you down. 99% chance you're still limited to fair use somewhere in the contract.

    Paying by the GB, you at least can burn through as much as you want at full speed, even if you have to pay for it. With the particular business plan I have with my ISP, I even have a SLA so I can ring them up and start bitching if the speed drops too low.
     
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    WOW ! lol .... i dont even want to ask how many instances of scrapebox you were running :))
     
  20. efwebs

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    If the issue is bandwidth then proxies are not relevant to the conversation. Either way you are sending the info out from your computer, which is what is being metered.

    When you go past the ISP's usage cap they will try to help you identify what is using it up so you can cut back. That's why they were asking about email spam and such. There could also be things like viruses or neighbors that are hogging your wifi, and that's what they want to help you figure out. They don't care either way as long as you fall back within their cap.

    VPS will still use bandwidth, but nothing compared to running SB from your home computer. The VPS does all the hard lifting, and the data is sends back to you is what still uses bandwidth.

    Anything like streaming movies/music, downloads, etc all adds up.

    I have squid proxies and haven't been overly impressed. I have 4 shared proxies from fiverr that do just as well.

    The specs you listed should be more than enough to run several instances of SB. It's probably more cost effective to get one VPS that can run 4 copies than 2 VPS that can run 2 copies each.

    Hellomotow has VPS for $50/month that is all setup to run 2 copies of SB and 1 copy of SEnukeX. SEnukeX has been rocky with all the updates, but SB runs great on his 1gbps connection.
     
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