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Google Sandbox?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by sinrag, Apr 22, 2010.

  1. sinrag

    sinrag Newbie

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    Hi,
    i have been reading for about month here on this great forum, it is lot to take in for a newbie :)

    I have heard that google sandboxes domains if they backlink very fast (and allot). So the question is can I backlink fast on my domain if I put backlinks to many directories or subdomans (sry for my english)

    regards
     
  2. n8800

    n8800 Regular Member

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    Go slow...Don't go fast and you wont be sandboxed!
     
  3. cool5now

    cool5now Registered Member

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    Depends on a million and one factors the most important of which is your sites age. If it's new then go real slow. If it's over a year old start slow and bulid up. The other real big factor is where the links are coming from. No one ever got sandboxed for too many nasa gov edu links.
     
  4. iamsgf

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    People use the word 'Sandbox' incorrectly alot of times without understanding what it realy is, or what has happened to them.

    It is very common for someone to launch a site, do loads of directory submission, articles links etc etc. and then quickly rank... only to find a couple of weeks later they drop off into nowhere!! All of a sudden they think 'I've been put in the Sandbox!' This is not always the case!!

    Google tends to push a new site quite nicely... if it see's lots of links initially it will push you a little more. However what happens is that You 'The webmaster' then thinks... 'hey I am on page 1, Job Done' but all that then happens is you cant main tain the link building rate, google see's nothing new and reacts by thinking 'Just a Fad!!' and you quickly drop back down to nothing.

    The key is to maintain a steady incremental link building stratergy that will be when you hit the top, you will stay at the top!.
     
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  5. DutchRebel

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    the problem usually lies in the fact that the links come in burst.
    like building 50 links today, and do nothing for a week and then build another 50 links etc.
    thats just not natural.

    another thing i noticed, and its all my own experience btw, is that if you start out with a new site and start out building most of your links with the same anchor, or variations of it, it is much more likely to be "sandboxed".

    i started a site the first week of march, and i build a steady amount of strong links over the first weeks and everything worked out well. i got a fist page ranking after a mont, and its a decent keyword with decent competition.

    it got an instant pr4 last month or so in the recent pr update (its now a 2 month old site btw)
    and all was going well. i build about 50 links from pr3-pr6 pages with little outgoing links. all manually, no software used.
    it wasn`t placed higher then it deserved because of the fact it was a new siteeither. it was just around the place where it should belong if it would have been an older site.

    i thought it was kind of established and i could get away with quickly nuking it with something like 200 profile links with senuke using variations of the main keyword as anchors.

    a week later i got spot number 2 on the first page of google for 2 days,
    after that it totaly disapeard from the serps for all keywords.
    its quite normal to dance around a bit, but disapear completely means something is wrong.
    and i`m 99% sure its because of the profile nuke i did on it. i thought i could push it a few more positions this way and get away with it.

    it has been gone now for a week and haven`t seen it back in the serps yet.
    normaly when it disapears it comes back within a day or 2, maybe 3.

    only half of the profile links have been indexed, so i don`t think its an amount isue, i suspect its an anchor problem on this one.

    so now i`m just building links with "click here" as the anchor and names as anchors with some comments.

    now i`m waiting to see if it will pop back when the anchors get watered down some more.

    i see it as another learning experience. eventually it surely will come back strong.
    but you can easily make a mistake, even when you think your site is established enough to take a good promotion.
     
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  6. Ramsweb

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    Hi there Dutch

    Did your site ever comeback from the sandbox. I have been trying to read up on the sandbox situation and would like to know if you made it back and how long it took?

    Also, do you rank well now, even better than before maybe?

    Thanks
    Ramsweb

     
  7. MagicMike

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    I think "imsgf" (above) has it pretty much right on the money... google gives you the benefit of the doubt right off the bat... if nothing else happens, you could be slapped!

    The only thing I've found that really seems to insulate me from the "sandbox" effect is to open a google adwords account. I've never had a site yet (about 10 of mine, 50 of clients) that has had a problem once a google adwords account was opened. Don't know if its magic... but its as close as I've gotten. Unfortunately, it costs money.

    I've got a few sites right now that I KNOW have a problem... I'm going to open up an adwords account this week to see if it helps to get them "reconsidered", rather than go the formal "reconsideration route" with google and admit gullt! :D
     
  8. Micallef

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    Here's how I see the problem. You have 2 choices:

    a) Build slowly and finally in a few months time when you have enough links, you get a decent rank.

    b) Build quickly and sporadically, and suffer the sandbox effect. Disappear from Google for a few months, keep building links, and return at a top position when the effect comes to an end - in a few months.

    Is there really any difference here? I just tend to accept the sandbox effect. No matter how spammy the links, I come back in 4 out of 5 cases.

    There is actually another way but it takes lots of effort - create the impression of going Viral. You need to be available at the right times to build the right number of links. This is easier said than done because you'll probably have to try twice as many "attempts" at getting the links e.g. comments to make sure you actually get the number of links you need, as moderators / spam filters might block you.

    I have tried this a few times though and had really good results and sticking power. Having support sites of your own in the same niche really helps.
     
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  9. trevor1617

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    This thread started out pretty sad but then as I scrolled through and read it all I actually learned a little bit about being sandboxed...Thanks guys.
     
  10. MagicMike

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    Hey Trevor... I just learned something to... your comment sounds perfect for Scrapebox... I think I'll "borrow" it! ;)
     
  11. DutchRebel

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    yeah it came back, but is dancing around now. but everytime it is back, rankings seem to be better.

    now its nr 5 for main keyword.

    i did build a few easy links for it with other anchors, but i think i leave it alone for a while and check back on it later.
     
  12. smolodoys

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    MAN THIS IS ALL BIG B.S. theres no such thing as Google sandbox, google did have such thing in 2005 and all of the competitors starting building thousands of backlinks to their competitors sites and got them all sandboxed and in that same year sandboxing has been removed, so don't believe into any sandbox myths stories no more, just think about it, what if every competitor starter blasting 100k to their competitors sites..
     
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  13. DutchRebel

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    i don`t say the sandbox exist, but you cant deny that over promotion on new sites is harmfull.

    some sites suffer more fomit then others, but its just a fact
     
  14. essares1

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    sandbox exists. it is when u search your exact domain name along with tld in google, you won't get your site as a result and it is actually seen nowhere in the results. where as previously you got it.

    I am sure of this because I am seeing it right now with 2 of my domains.
     
  15. DutchRebel

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    this is just being de-indexed..

    sanboxed is your site still shows up for domain search, but you are somewhere on page 195 of the results
     
  16. blackhat-dudette

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    The frustrating thing about this is that Linkbuilding is a constant process.
    You wont get dumped off the results for building 1000 links in one month alone, or your competition would just submit your website to these programs and get you off google.

    You need to be consistent, try and build an average and consistent amount per month, from high pr and quality pages that are still relevant.

    This will help any "sanboxed" situation
     
  17. essares1

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    eww,ok then I got it confused. can you point to me a post/ page where the difference is explained clearly? thanks
     
  18. DutchRebel

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    as long as your site shows up for a domain search, google knows about your site, you are in the system.
    if not, you have to make sure google finds your site.

    after that google has to decide where to place you in the results, give you a position for the keywords your site is based on..

    if you rank on the first few pages, everything is ok. but if you sudently fall down to the far back of the results you are "sanboxed" and google feels you are gaming their algorithyms, or are spamming or maybe google has trouble reading the html of your page.

    thats the difference basicly.

    and "there are a lot of dfferent opinions about the sanbox, and its a bit of a mystery.
    nobody seems to agree about what it is and how it works. or if it even exists.
    i won`t go into that now, but thats basicly what people see as the "sandbox effect"

    and when you get De-indexed, you pised google of in some way and they banned your site from the serps entirely, or it doesn`t feel your site is worth being in their system at all.
     
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  19. hazard_mkd

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    google sandbox is a total bullshit..

    i built 5000 backlinks within 1 week, on a brand NEW domain.. google knows about them.. they are indexed. it went from 100 to 5000 in a single update.. and my site just got way better positions..

    i got google place me first on 2nd page on a competitive keyword..

    so far my experience has told me to blast the shit out of wordpress blogs with comments.. and it works.. i'll be getting xrumer as well.. (hope so)

    then i'll go bizarre with backlink building.. (just for the lulz and to prove all the "gurus" wrong) website go viral overnight.. just think of a blockbuster movie website.. it gets thousands of backlinks every day.. wheres the sandbox?!?!

    p.s. the site went offline for 2 days, after having some trouble with dmca complaints and a change of hosts.. no troubles with google whatsoever
     
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  20. ixrumer

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    Any tips of how to get out of this stupid sandbox? Just go hard and strong with big blasts? or slow and steady?