Google Penguin's Unbelievably DEVASTATING Effects on SEO

burgers said:
Thank you for your studies and observations, its important to figure things out to know how to best proceed. Like many, a lot of my sites that are backlinked have tanked, even with link diversity, anchor text diversity. Could it be possible that the penalty for overoptimization is related to all the "standard" on-page tactices like keyword density, headers, bold, italic, underline, internal links, alt ... so for example, when every page is "properly" set up, the new algo can pick it up and assess overoptimization?

The only one obvious site of mine that didn't move at all was a site that was only lightly backlinked and had much more social interaction through FB, Twitter, G+, Stumbleupon & Pintrest. Is it possible that real social signals "diluted" the over-optimization of backlinks?
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I don't think it really makes a lot of sense for google to penalize webmasters for following sage SEO processes, i.e. I'm not convinced that anyone has made a very compelling argument that google wants us NOT to optimize pages. However, the information in this thread about backlink profiles is valuable, i.e. link diversity, anchor text. Regarding on-page, I suspect that poor LSI may be causing some penalties.

However, your last statement about the social elements of things is where I believe the real problem lies for most people. That is to say that if REAL live people aren't sharing your information, or talking about your site on the social media sites, then you are likely to be penalized a lot irregardless of both on-page and off-page optimization practices.

Isn't that essentially what google said they would be looking for throughout this year, and moving forward? They want REAL people with REAL profiles really sharing your content and links on the sites where people do that, i.e. FB, Twitter, G+, Stumbleupon, Pinterest, and more. I suspect that if you can really get people motivated around your brand...the SEO stuff is currently way over-rated, but still necessary within reason.

If you think about it, it does make sense. In active communities the people trim out the scammers through natural selection, flagging, etc... It stands to reason that for google to evolve it has to learn to think like a person - which means observing a shit ton of people across thousands of social networking platforms. That's what I think is going on.

Just to clarify my thoughts on the social platforms, I'm really talking about dialogue, i.e. posting a facebook post, or a tweet isn't going to get it done anymore. Real people actually communicate, i.e. if your friend sends you to a justin beiber fanpage you fall in love with, you thank them with a post/tweet etc..., and then also share the information with your contacts. I really believe that legitimate social interactions are the next phase of SEO.
 
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kegnum said:
Wait so you are saying is to write unique content! OMFG! I never thought of that before.
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I think he is saying unique content with a few quality links or no links (no punishment) are doing pretty well.

I have seen all my competition that only did white hat links move up or stay in their positions.
 
vuedoolor said:
Dudes... I have a question(s)

What about link velocity? Wouldn't it look unnatural for a website/webpage to have consistent links per month? Wouldn't it be more natural for a site to have lots of links one month then very little the next and so on?

OH and is it just me or am I starting to see a lot of the top sites in the SERP with no h1, h2 tags?
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When you add content to your website, the number of links to the new posts as well as the homepage should naturally rise, and then slow down to the normal level. More links on weekends, less on Mondays. Just make it look natural.
 
Expertpeon said:
What what I AM seeing is redirects redirects and more redirects on page 1 for ultra competitive terms.

This isn't some tiny term... it's a mid 5 figure/day term.
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I read that more than one 301 redirect is dangerous but this site has 38!! Where is the power coming from is the sites that are being redirected big on backlinks or high pr? What is the secret is it ten articles of 1000 words or more? I am confused.
 
warjam1945 said:
I read that more than one 301 redirect is dangerous but this site has 38!! Where is the power coming from is the sites that are being redirected big on backlinks or high pr? What is the secret is it ten articles of 1000 words or more? I am confused.
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Both probably. 301's are working like clockwork, it is one of the main reasons you are seeing sites ranking on page 1 for competitive keywords that were just launched a week or two ago.
 
davers said:
I don't think it really makes a lot of sense for google to penalize webmasters for following sage SEO processes, i.e. I'm not convinced that anyone has made a very compelling argument that google wants us NOT to optimize pages. However, the information in this thread about backlink profiles is valuable, i.e. link diversity, anchor text. Regarding on-page, I suspect that poor LSI may be causing some penalties.

However, your last statement about the social elements of things is where I believe the real problem lies for most people. That is to say that if REAL live people aren't sharing your information, or talking about your site on the social media sites, then you are likely to be penalized a lot irregardless of both on-page and off-page optimization practices.

Isn't that essentially what google said they would be looking for throughout this year, and moving forward? They want REAL people with REAL profiles really sharing your content and links on the sites where people do that, i.e. FB, Twitter, G+, Stumbleupon, Pinterest, and more. I suspect that if you can really get people motivated around your brand...the SEO stuff is currently way over-rated, but still necessary within reason.

If you think about it, it does make sense. In active communities the people trim out the scammers through natural selection, flagging, etc... It stands to reason that for google to evolve it has to learn to think like a person - which means observing a shit ton of people across thousands of social networking platforms. That's what I think is going on.

Just to clarify my thoughts on the social platforms, I'm really talking about dialogue, i.e. posting a facebook post, or a tweet isn't going to get it done anymore. Real people actually communicate, i.e. if your friend sends you to a justin beiber fanpage you fall in love with, you thank them with a post/tweet etc..., and then also share the information with your contacts. I really believe that legitimate social interactions are the next phase of SEO.
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Google has clearly been scrambling to take social aspects much more into account...just look at how +1s affect search results.
 
There seems to something quite weird afoot over the past few days.... take a look at the highly competitive search term of 'payday loan store' and there are some interesting results in the top 10. The number 2 result is particularly interesting given it was registered on the 22nd May 12 only, no links nowt....they also have a sister site ranking 2 or 3 for 'payday loans' as well (again registered a few weeks ago).....did I mention both sites are registered in Xrummer country? There is also a login page showing for the EMD 'payday loan store'. It looks like you can simply register and go after anything at the moment to make some very quick bank before its back to business as normal.....
 
My theory is that google employees crushed up some massive lines of ketamine and bumped it off bill gates' and mark zuckerbergs small cacks. Then wrote code high on bath salts and crank for a few days.

LIVE!!!

And they accidently deleted the backups when they were trying to erase their gay porn stashes, so now they're doing even more speed so they can work overtime to try and rectify the major fuckups...


My niche, is drug related. And there's a fucking wine website with not a single keyword related to my niche what so ever. Not a single backlink, nothing... Just a few pages on red wine and orchards, grapes, etc...

Ridiculous.

Anyways, I'm on first page again. I guess this update is a blessing in disguise because, instead of spamming blackhat hard. I'm now taking the time to build a proper profile and strengthen my tiers properly. And so are the rest of the people effected by this and frantically rushing to get a return to a normalized state.

So, out of chaos spawns beauty. Not to mention all the brand new niches that are unoptimized and waiting to be exploited.
 
great great thread with lots of high quality input from lots of quality contributors. dont have time to go through all of it right now, but will be coming back to it next week. rep x 4 given to


SuperLinks

for putting the time in, to do the reasearch and for starting this discussion.
 
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