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Google Penalties

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by J0kerz, Nov 30, 2009.

  1. J0kerz

    J0kerz Supreme Member

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    Hey,

    Can someone tell me if Google can penalize you for :

    1. Having the same <HEAD> section on every pages of your website. (Same meta tags + Same page title)

    2. Having duplicate contents that you copied/pasted from another website.

    Can Google penalize you drastically for doing one of these things?

    Thanks,
    ;)
     
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  2. soulfly

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    they will sure do.
     
  3. mtayyabrana

    mtayyabrana Registered Member

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    Hmm, They Will
     
  4. Ninjutsu

    Ninjutsu Regular Member

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    2. Having duplicate contents that you copied/pasted from another website.

    They wont penalize you for that. Your site will just won't do as well. Matt Cutt once talked about this in a video.
     
  5. soulfly

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    link please.
     
  6. mackay22

    mackay22 Regular Member

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    In my experience, I agree with this, for both same HEAD and duplicate content not directly penalised, just wont do well


    Now, some might say not doing well is being penalised!?!?
     
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    affiliate_onlinebiz Junior Member

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    Why would you want to have the same title on every page? About the duplicate contents I did exactly what you said and had no problem.
     
  8. J0kerz

    J0kerz Supreme Member

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    As for the same <HEAD>, I was kinda dumb. I used a PHP "include" statement to inlcude the same head, and I thought, hey, I wont have to copy/paste it in every page.

    I really think it does make a difference, lets look at the facts.

    Nov 25: 10 pages (all same <HEAD>) of my website got indexed
    Nov 25: Big Drop for every keywords, Went from #1-10 to #500++

    Coincidence? I dont think so.
     
  9. BlackMelvyn

    BlackMelvyn Regular Member

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    if you have the same title for each page, sure your site won't do well at all.
    So if you included a file that sets all the titles the same, that's not a penalty, just the will de-rank your site
     
  10. mackay22

    mackay22 Regular Member

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    I made a wordpress template for a local service business, I didnt use the wp_head in fact I hardcoded the header (pretty much the same as what you've done)

    The site has all pages indexed, and takes up 2 spots on the front page for its given keyword, aswell as a map listing.

    Lots of factors on ranking, its hard to make steadfast statements, obviously your experience counters mine, so there ya go.


    Essentially, different header content is basic SEO so should be done anyway, irrelevant as to whether or not you get penalised for doing so
     
  11. J0kerz

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    Thats exactly what happened.

    Drop from #1 to #500 is kinda a BIG "de-rank"...
     
  12. johnwho

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    Mine is #10 to #80 Because of dup content and autoblog plug in..
    I am stupid enough to not protect my personal blog with htaccess and robots.txt
     
  13. J0kerz

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    I changed all page titles, lets see what will happen when all pages get reindexed.
     
  14. Ted Marlett

    Ted Marlett Newbie

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    Here is Google's statement on duplicate content: http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66359

    Hope it helps you.
     
  15. moremoney

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    I read this article talking about the duplicate content penalty it basically said it is very hard to penalise for duplicate content because most of the internet is duplicate content

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    http://www.netconcepts.com/seo-the-duplicate-content-penalty/
    ^One of the very many articles on the subject ^
     
  16. Ted Marlett

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    From what I gather, in most of what I read and hear, is that the penalty from duplicate content with comes from content that is placed on your own website in several places without any changes.

    Google likes unique content and will reward sites that provide such. And, this will certainly help with search engine placement.

    If you content is unique and well written, provides value to the searcher, you will be placed higher on the pages, providing you do other good SEO.
     
  17. J0kerz

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    Very interresting article there. Thanks!

    Google dont like Duplicate content WITHIN your own site. I have a "Disclaimer" section on the bottom of every pages (6-7 lines of text). Ill delete it and see what it does.
     
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    I never thought about this before. I will need to update my meta information for better rankings, I've been using PHP includes for years on the header info.
     
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    1. Your site and pages will not rank as well, the G.webmaster itself will display
    as duplicate header and title.

    2. Duplicate contents is ok as the internet is full of them, the problem comes when
    there is a link between the contents. They are able to know which version is prior.
    The practise is: If you are using duplicate content, do not link it to the original page
    where the duplicate content comes from.

    And having duplicate content WITHIN your own site is definitely going to hurt your rankings.
     
  20. bklooste

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    I dont buy you get a penalty every web site has the same header ,footer and navigation bar this would be duplicate content. The navigation bar keywords do show up . If i was to ignore crawling this duplicate content i dont think my position would rise.

    What i think google does is if it detects a duplicate page it will just ignore ( or massively reduces) the value of later versions.. It probably does the same cross site as well.

    Having the same metadata will probably mean the later pages rank as if it had no metadata field. While this is no big deal the lack of title would be.