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Google Patents - Hidden Gems

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by antonjones, Apr 29, 2015.

  1. antonjones

    antonjones Regular Member

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    Has anybody ever bothered reading the Google Patents? I just have and I'm really surprised at the information Big G is giving away.

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    When a spammer tries to positively influence a document's rank through rank-modifying spamming, the spammer may be perplexed by the rank assigned by a rank transition function consistent with the principles of the invention, such as the ones described above. For example, the initial response to the spammer's changes may cause the document's rank to be negatively influenced rather than positively influenced. Unexpected results are bound to elicit a response from a spammer, particularly if their client is upset with the results. In response to negative results, the spammer may remove the changes and, thereby render the long-term impact on the document's rank zero. Alternatively or additionally, it may take an unknown (possibly variable) amount of time to see positive (or expected) results in response to the spammer's changes. In response to delayed results, the spammer may perform additional changes in an attempt to positively (or more positively) influence the document's rank. In either event, these further spammer-initiated changes may assist in identifying signs of rank-modifying spamming.

    TL;DR
    When a SEO is building links to his money site google purposely negatively affects the SEO's ranking to dishearten them and make them remove the links


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    The time line shown in FIG. 6 may be represented in days in one implementation consistent with the principles of the invention. In other words, it might take approximately 70 days for a change in a document's link-based information to change the rank of the document to its steady state (target) value (e.g., 1.0 in FIG. 6).

    TL;DR
    When the SEO builds his links it can take up to 70 days for the links to have a positive effect on the SERP ranking.

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    In another implementation, a rank transition function may be selected for the domain/site with which the document is associated, the server on which the document is hosted, or a set of documents that share a similar trait (e.g., the same author (e.g., a signature in the document), design elements (e.g., layout, images, etc.), etc.). In any of these situations, the documents associated with the domain/site/set or hosted by the same server may be subjected to the same rank transition function. In yet another implementation, a rank transition function may be selected randomly. In a further implementation, if a document is identified as ?suspicious? (described below), a different rank transition function may be selected for that document

    TL;DR
    I think this says that if the your links to your money site all have the same styling, host, author then the rank transition function will be selected randomly

    random.jpg
    (look familiar??)

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    For example, if the damped response transition function is selected, the document's rank may slowly increase over a period of time, such as several days, before settling in on the target rank. If the initially-inverse response transition function is selected, the document's rank may initially be caused to decrease (negative influence) before seeing the 10% increase. In this case, the negative influence may last several days as may the increase to 0.66.

    As explained above, the delayed and/or negative response to the rank-modifying spamming may cause the spammer to take other measures to correct it. For example, for a delayed response, the spammer may subject the document to additional rank-modifying spamming (e.g., adding additional keywords, tiny text, invisible text, links, etc.). For a negative response, the spammer may revert the document and/or links to that document (or other changes) to their prior form in an attempt to undo the negative response caused by the rank-modifying spamming.

    When signs of rank-modifying spamming exist, but perhaps not enough for a positive identification of rank-modifying spamming, then the ?suspicious? document may be subjected to more extreme rank variations in response to changes in its link-based information. Alternatively, or additionally, noise may be injected into the document's rank determination. This noise might cause random, variable, and/or undesirable changes in the document's rank in an attempt to get the spammer to take corrective action.

    TL;DR
    I'm guessing this means when building links you should be CONSISTENT and build the same amount of links no matter what rank changes you see

    Interesting stuff...
    http://www.google.com/patents/US8244722
     
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  2. ficfroc

    ficfroc Regular Member

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    This is a good analysis, I particularly apperciate your conclusion it's an effective counter against this patent and another one I saw some months ago about a big and fast inflation in the linking nodes to a document
     
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  3. antonjones

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    Thanks! I'll try and find that patent mentioned, I'm hooked! It's one thing too hear theories from SEO bloggers but these patents are just something else
     
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    ficfroc Regular Member

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    In this case Here you Go : http://www.seobythesea.com/category/seo/
    The guy analyses the most important patents out there.
    Most of them are related to seo , but some others are related to google glasses etc.

    The patent I talked about before is somewhere in his blog too :
     
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  5. royserpa

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    Thats perhaps the reason it takes ~4 months to rank.

    Day 1 backlink, effect seen by day 70 (5 weeks)
    Day 70 backlink, effect takes place day 140 (16 weeks or so)
     
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    Not bad info here, thanks for posting
     
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    Pretty cool information! of course this works unless someone does it without getting detected.
     
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    Then how do some sites start ranking in 3 days ?
     
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    I ranked one site on a ten days two weeks i was on top of aged sites .
    it take from google 6 months to do manual action on it .
     
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    thank you great post
     
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    Thank you for this great and informational post
     
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    This is old news.

    You can read more theories from SEOs who think they know what it means.
     
  13. SEOZone Agency

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    Yeah old news indeed.. SEOs have known about these little gems for some time now. It's all right there in black and white although no one every bothers to look. Nice share though OP
     
  14. rob1977

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    It is a good share, but basically it is confirming the Google dance
     
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    This 'part' of the algo if ever it is implemented, is ment to be random, which means, it might apply to a website and not to another one. And it might also be chained to another 'part' of the algorithm that evaluates if it needs to be triggered or not .
     
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  16. antonjones

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    Thanks for explaining this
     
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    Looks like you had a bit to drink(or your math is just bad), but "Day 70" would be 10 weeks not 5 weeks. and "Day 140" would be 20 weeks not 16. That would mean your 4 months theory would actually be 5 months, however the "2 month" delay that is widely acknowledge seems to be a more accurate figure
     
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    Generally speaking the consensus around here was that links took around 2 weeks rather than 2 months... so a 2 week "link aging" process would be longer than many here have been claiming. Although it is also (less generally) said that links get more powerful with age. Meaning that a 2 year old link that hasn't been deleted yet is way better than 10 two month old links theoretically. This thinking is PARTIALLY what Google is doing to combat slash-and-burn links that go away such as cheap PBN links and spammy web2.0s.