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Google Dance question

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by peterstern9, May 15, 2014.

  1. peterstern9

    peterstern9 Regular Member

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    I started building high PR highest quality backlinks and also home page backlinks to my website 5 days ago. Website (domain) is brand new, registered like 2 weeks ago, perfect on page SEO optimized and all that comes with it. After 5 days of link building, i appeared on google for some keywords on position 30, other keywords 70, etc. I am losing few places every hour, and then come back few places up etc.

    Question is: after i stop building backlinks now (because high PR backlinks are not cheap), will my rankings keep getting higher or i will stay on max 30th position always? For how long will i keep "dancing" and is it chance to reach position #1 without any additional link building?

    What do you recommend? I am building also social signals and many google+ signals.
     
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    peterstern9 Regular Member

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    Anyone? Any help is highly appreciated.
     
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    What I would recommend is wait for the dance to stop. After a little while, start building links because you need the rankings to sit still. If you get what I mean
     
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    Indeed - wait for the dancing to stabilize (a week or two), and then decide what more to do. Given time it will come up, but not greatly beyond that which it stabilizes at after dancing, in my experience.
     
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    spanishduez Newbie

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    Normally, you should be going for high pr links after you have got some ranking traction. Get more links from diverse sources and spread your anchors for diversity.
     
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    peterstern9 Regular Member

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    I ensured anchor diversity, it is more than 30 different anchor texts so in this case no worries.

    I will wait for a week or two and then see will I go higher or more link building is needed.

    Thank you for advices!
     
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    Not enough information to know really.
    What is your competition. How old are they, how many links do they have?
    Do they have authority? Are they actively doing SEO themselves?

    Without competition analysis of the exact sites you are trying to beat - the question can't be answered in a meaningful way.
    The answer is "Be one better than the guy you have to beat"

    Without knowing pretty much everything about your competition, you're just pissing in the wind. Might work... might not.

    Scritty
     
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    Thank you very much for answer.

    I wouldn't name exactly my competitor sites and my niche, but let me describe them in general:
    Most of my competitor sites are 12-24 months old, all of them have approximately 500 backlinks (some articles and directories - nothing special). All of them are PR0 or PR1, none of the sites are PR2. They are not actively doing SEO, just from time to time (every few months) there is a jump of backlinks seen on Ahrefs. Their on-page SEO optimization is closer to weak than good.

    Using Keyword Revealer, my niche is low to medium competitive. Each keyword has Keyword Competitiveness (KC) between 27 and 33 according to Keyword Revealer.

    I will point focus on 2 different sites ranked #1 for different keywords in my niche. 1st site is ranked high and using black hat tools, 301 redirects and so on. The site is ranked #1 because of that, but it has also few sub-pages with articles about each keyword that is ranked high. So, not perfect, but good on-page optimization.

    2nd site is ranked #1, but not because of high quality backlinks (backlinks are nothing special, close to some junk), but this site has approximately 20 000 Facebook shares. So, I guess this is the reason for high ranking. This site is only ranking its home page for all keywords, but home page contains less than 300 words and in these words are not written keywords. This site only contain keywords in Meta Title and Meta Description. This site is 2 years old. Also, I am not sure have this site properly cloaked affiliate link. It is hard to believe that this site can be ranked #1.


    Then my website... I created my website and registered brand new domain 15 days ago, it has like 20 different articles for every keyword, 100% unique handwritten content, each article between 600-800 words, perfect keyword density (3-4%), perfect SILO architecture and on-page optimization in general, working robots.txt and sitemap, Facebook fanpage with 2000 likes and still growing, Twitter profile with 8000 followers, and verified Google+ page (done Google Authorship) with 100 followers.

    For backlinks, I am building only PR1 to PR6 SAPE links, mixing home page backlinks and normal backlinks, using different anchor texts (more than 30 different ones), it is not over-optimized, no more than 10% on any anchor text (according to Ahrefs).

    So, I started link building almost a week ago and rankings are already visible, but still dancing. I am around position 50 for main keywords, and around 20 position for long tail supportive keywords. The problem is that I am already "visible" on Google, I would rather be " ? ", means dancing all the time because it is higher chance to jump to page 1 than when I am visible around position 20 or 50 all the time. I have built approximately 800 highest quality high PR links.

    So, answer on the sentence:
    "The answer is "Be one better than the guy you have to beat" "
    -> I am already better than my competition, but the only thing that I can not change is domain age. I am 15 days old website in comparison to 1-2 year old competitor websites.


    So, any chance to jump over my competitors on SERPs with brand new domain?
     
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    Yup - in terms of links you seem to be.
    Age is a factor, so be consistent with content adding for a while. One a week say minimum? Plus Ccreful linking.
    2 years does give a site some authority, so that needs overcoming. It's not a straight game of "who has the best links" that's an important factor, but not the only one.

    Scritty
     
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  10. peterstern9

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    So, is there any chance that let's say 1 month old site beats a 2 year old website? Because generally speaking I am better in any field than competitors, maybe I have less Facebook shares, but I am getting like 30 shares every day so it will come with time.
     
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    What if you were to get an expired domain with that same age, replicaye everything you have done in your new site to this one?

    If you have better links, age and better content than your competition I really think you will be able to outrank them.

    I would try it out, after all you just spent 1 week in this :)

    Just my 2 bucks