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Google Dance or penalty?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by bond0007, May 23, 2011.

  1. bond0007

    bond0007 Regular Member

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    My site was consistently ranking #4 and #7 for 2 somewhat competitive keywords for the past year +. However just yesterday it fell to position #17 and #75 for those main keywords. I didnt do much seo lately to get penalized like that so Im pretty lost why it happened. The website is a niche price comparison site that has a pretty high quality blog that gets updated every few days.

    thanks for your help. Im so frustrated.
     
  2. homenet

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    Give it a couple of weeks and see where you are. The same thing happened to a site of mine, after about 8 days my rankings were back (stronger than before in some cases.)
     
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  3. bond0007

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    THank you! I forgot to mention a similar thing happened about a year ago, except that all major keywords were on page 90-99 on google, and then one day they all came back to page 1 stronger than ever. It was a very stressful few weeks. I sure hope it is the same in this case.
     
  4. muchacho

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    A site I've recently started 'blasting' with ScrapeBox.

    It initially rose about 5-6 positions onto the first page, but then dropped back to the 2nd page and then dropped a position once every other day. It's been doing that around 4-5 days now.

    Here's hoping it'll bounce back!
     
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  5. craigslistguy

    craigslistguy Regular Member

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    just do a site:yoursite.com

    If its not deindexed then its just a google dance
     
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  6. bond0007

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    About 8,040 results for site:mysite.com

    I havent done any big link blasting campaigns. Ive been doing mostly whitehat stuff in the past few months.
     
  7. hpscool

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    Actually one of my micro niche site was also got these sort of downfall in serps.Fell i also hope this was the usuall google dance.
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    I am afraid that this may be due to the recent update by google which is punishing many sites.Did you have unique content in your site.?
     
  8. shudogg

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    Work on building links to the internal pages. Ensure they link to your home page using proper anchor text for the keywords your targeting.

    If your site is still found (using -> site:yoursite.com) then you are not sandboxed or de-indexed. It is most likely the Google Dance. Younger sites dance around quite a bit after backlink blasts. Older domains generally don't do this as much.

    Work on some internal link building, new content to the site (if it's a blog, new blog posts to show consistent new content), and high quality backlinks to the homepage using good web2.0 sites. Don't do any scrapebox or xrumer blasts, just good quality link building until you feel your in the clear.
     
  9. homenet

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    Just to add, when it happened to me, I had also not done any big backlinking, just a few web 2.0's with unique content, it was very baffling. As long as your not deindexed try not to worry about it. It won't hurt to add some new content and get some nice high PR RELATED backlinks.
     
  10. bond0007

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    Ill be updating the homepage blog daily with nice unique content. ill also try to get a few backlinks as well to some inner pages.
     
  11. zoomsixx

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    I thought I had a Google penalty. I actually think I still do because I did some blasts and sunk in the SERPS right after. Could be a mistaken cause and effect. Anyways I submitted a site for reconsideration to see what would happen, I hope that didn't throw up any flags. I received the below response from Google within a few days.

    "We received a request from a site owner to reconsider http://www.*****.tv/ for compliance with Google's Webmaster Guidelines.

    We reviewed your site and found no manual actions by the webspam team that might affect your site's ranking in Google. There's no need to file a reconsideration request for your site, because any ranking issues you may be experiencing are not related to a manual action taken by the webspam team.

    Of course, there may be other issues with your site that affect your site's ranking. Google's computers determine the order of our search results using a series of formulas known as algorithms. We make hundreds of changes to our search algorithms each year, and we employ more than 200 different signals when ranking pages. As our algorithms change and as the web (including your site) changes, some fluctuation in ranking can happen as we make updates to present the best results to our users.

    If you've experienced a change in ranking which you suspect may be more than a simple algorithm change, there are other things you may want to investigate as possible causes, such as a major change to your site's content, content management system, or server architecture. For example, a site may not rank well if your server stops serving pages to Googlebot, or if you've changed the URLs for a large portion of your site's pages. This article has a list of other potential reasons your site may not be doing well in search."

    They could be bs'ing me or I'm just another victim of the Panda update. I guess only time will tell.
     
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  12. bond0007

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    Update:

    Still ranking badly for everything. 1 keyword even dropped from 7th page, to being gone.

    I havent done ANY Seo in over a month. this is soooo strange
     
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    Just had the same experience. Was workin on my new website from past few days and managed to get on 9th rank but when i chked the ranking of my website 3 days ago it was on 65 for the main keyword! God knows google! :(
     
  14. syngenetic

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    One of my site that was top 10 for the main keyword disappeared from Google. The heck right? I'm not mad because it'll be back and ranked higher. :)
     
  15. muchacho

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    One of my sites today dropped from 16th to 21st.

    Not a major drop, but it's all from scrapebox blasts... over 3500 backlinks compared to 91 before I started with Scrapebox on it.

    So as things stand, these blasts aren't really helping or if they are, it's having a major few weeks dance first.
     
  16. bond0007

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    Is it because you will be doing more SEO work to get it back, or is it because you think google will end up putting it back even higher than before after the dance is over?
     
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    I think I have seen this on every new site ive built. Jumps up early, then down, then it settles.
     
  18. syngenetic

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    I've noticed that it tends to disappear often and when it comes back ranking a lot higher than it usually was. Like once it jumped from #75 to page 1, but this seems to happen with all of my sites. I work on all of the sites regardless if its page 1 or page 10. :D
     
  19. bond0007

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    sure hope thats the case!
     
  20. ouchthathurts

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    My main keyword has been ranked #10 for a week, today I checked my traffic to see none from my main keyword, had a look and its nowhere to be seen. Still indexed if I search via "site:"

    Hoping its just dancing and will return, blasting inner pages for the next few days