Sorry im in a its all hopeless mood. I can put offers on page one of Google, usually in spot 8 or 9 which does very little, but can I get in the top 3? No. What good is SEO, backlinks, social bookmarking etc etc? For one well searched keyword, if you look at Market Samurai I should be the clear winner. More backlinks than anyone, edu, my site is super optimized getting 96 on IBP, etc . The site thats at number three for example, no page rank, 4 backlinks, the seo is terrible, and yet it remains at spot 3. WHY? Are They Insane? There is no logic to it. The site stinks in all respects, yet its at the number 3 spot. Relevant information? No Way. It makes no sense. I have at least four sites with the same story. So what the hell do you do? Increase backlinks when the winning site has 4? It makes the whole SEO thing absurd. Sorry just had to get that off my chest.