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Google announces ' Spam-Slap ' across the board!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by aftershock2020, Jun 12, 2008.

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  1. aftershock2020

    aftershock2020 Senior Member

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    Thanks to the new campaign that Mike Koenig and Frank Kern put out as a ploy to sell more crap, Google has announced that they are cracking down on ANY spammers across the board and will start reporting spammers to their respected isp hostings services as well as web hosting services. Also, they are going to be prosocuting violators on ' fraud ' charges, as spamming is now recognized by the F*B*I as a fraudulant solicitation attempt.

    This goes for videos, audios, emails, and ads that are spam content, loaded with cookies, virus material and or otherwise ' non- relevant ' content. They are saying that they are going to band and blacklist anyone found to be involved with spamming on any of their services. Ebay and Craigslist are said to be following suit soon.

    So, if spamming is your thing, times up...find a new gig. Google has jumped on the communist band wagon with the proverbial ' man. '

    I don't use spam techniques so I don't have to worry about this but I don't want you guys that do use it to get toasted.

    Be advised, this has just become a government funded witch hunt.
     
  2. Uptownbulker

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    Any legal action taken by Google or the FBI will not stand up as "spam" is defined by law as ONLY unsolicited commercial email.

    The term "spam" has come to mean anything that someone does not like and therefore such a definition lacks legal foundation.

    Example: You use the term "spam content"?

    Define that, please!

    See what I mean?

    Google will shut off people and they can make their own rules but as far as the law goes, I wouldn't worry one bit.
     
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    They're just blowing smoke up your a$$. Do you really think the government has the resources to go after every spammer in the US? If they do, they'll only go after the heavy hitters, if that. As Uptownbulker said, they will make up their own rules and ban your accounts but I doubt the government will get involved that much.
     
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    Source please? If this is true 90% of this is hyperbole, and the other 10% would be designed to out usa based spammers, and make it harder for them to do business. The thing is so much spam comes from other countries these days, I really dont understand why they would waste time/resources on it in the us. Most of the shit listed is not even against a us law. This seems like a publicity ploy more than anything. I would not however write it off as an empty threat, but if your business is email spam, and your in the us, you have more to worry about than just google. I
     
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    Ill have to make sure i dont piss any of you off, or you will create a bunch of blogger blogs and link to my sites, and get me put in jail!!

    yeah right.

    Google dont ban your domain for spamming, and now they are going to get law inforcment that cant even stop the flow of drugs?

    The court system is in trouble
     
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    In the end, I see this hurting "innocent" people that aren't really spamming, but perhaps doing something that google doesn't like, and not really affecting the real spammers (unsolicted bulk emailers).

    This is what concerns me:
    Because, as Uptownbulker said:
     
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    now google are bs-ing us. lol.
     
  9. aftershock2020

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    Well, I have to disagree on that. I don't know you nor you knowledge of the situation but I never post without complete verification. I have spoken to the consumer rights and fraud protection departments in consumer affairs on the FBI's website...you can check either FBI.org or .gov, whichever you prefer and you will be told something along the lines of the following:

    " Spam is no longer a minor infraction. It is treated as and enforced as an ' illegal and malicious act to modify unsolicited advertising material in an unprohibited fashion for the attempt of unauthorized information access or monetary gain from an unwilling/unknowing party, ' which is the same definition of fraud, which is a felony. ''


    - FBI support staff.

    Like I said in my previous post. You do what you want - it's your BBQ should they really begin to back this up like they are saying.

    Best of luck with it either way.
     
  10. oldenstylehats

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    I'm not doubting that your original post is legitimate, but what's your source?

    EDIT: Also, putting laws in books and enforcing those laws are two entirely different things. This seems to me to be a little too progressive of the US government. We're usually at least a few years behind with this kind of stuff. Our heads are still spinning from globalization and that started quite some time ago.
     
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    If what you say is true - then the first people they need to be going
    after would be dating sites (mainstream and adult)... It's easy to put a
    target on someone back. There are a lot of things to consider here, and I am not a lawyer, however unless I was promoting malware, spamming email, or the likes I would not be terribly worried here. The internet stands to get more and more regulated over time, however google can't just decide something is illegal. Afterall if not for google blackhat SEO would not be profitable. Does this make Google an accomplice for providing the median? What about all the bullshit adsense ads - are they going to start cracking down on them?

    If there is one company I wouldnt want to spearhead a movement against anti-blackhat shit it would be google, however most blackhat methods are not illegal. YET...
     
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    I'm with you Uptown.

    It's amazing how G can anounce that they intend to "crack down" on certain marketing techniques or paticular tyoes of content and the sheep all fall in line with them.

    I once feared that Microshit was going to completely take over but thankfully that hasn't happened. Their stranglehold is slowly being loosened. I think that G's golden age of dominance will pass as well, no matter how many billions they're worth. If nothing else, they are a prime target for anyone who detests "the Man" as they seem to invite marketers ( Blackhatters especially) to rape them every which way. It's just their general attitude of supremacy. No matter though; as long as there are Blackhatters and pirates ( I DO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THE TWO ) on the internet we will never have to be afraid to find new and inventive ways to monetize our time online--even if that means that we don't comply with G's ever lengthening Terms Of Compliance.
     
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    That is so broad. Spam content, links, email etc. If google don't like your content and states it is fraudulent. Damn there are thousands of americans violateing this either by spam or posting fradulent contet. I don't really see how they can arrest all those ppl.
     
  14. aftershock2020

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    I was thinking the same thing when I heard about it but I wouldn't put it passed google to use this as a way of getting their pockets a little deeper and come up with some new service or fee and a string of ungodly rules to tag after it so that they can choke even more of the loopholes out.

    It was a very intriguing situation that I thought that I'd give a heads up on. Once I'd checked with Google and with the feds, it appears to be something they are going to inforce, especially in stuffing and video spamming techniques.

    From what I got from Google on the topic is they are going after mainly adult content bombs that are giving children exposure to uncensored and inappropriate content.

    Just food for thought.
     
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    Does anybody have a link to a statement from Google about all this? If we are discussing what Google announced, shouldn't we at least read the announcement?

    Just my 2 cents...
     
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    I completely agree that it shouldn't be commercial companies dominating the rule trends because they are in a niche of search engine/advertising that is monopolized by a few mainstream powerhouse companies.

    However, on the other side of that coin, I can see what Google is doing in the short term effort...Not without personal gain, naturally. Sure, they are out to continue and keep their reign of control. In the outter purpose, at the same time, they are cutting the head off the snake so to speak by actively setting their own policy and terms to prevent the government from increasing them well beyond what is being enforced and pushed by the FCC lobbiests on capital hill already.

    We are getting the best of the two evils right now. Once the government steps in and takes a string of laws to meet what ' they think they should be, ' , as always setting these things without ever being a real active part of the day to day business world functions we use to make our livings before hand.

    Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying Google is right in pressing this at all but offering the logical reasoning of the following question.

    ' Would you rather have someone in our business arena attempt to maintain the standard, which leaves it open for any kid in his/her garage to be able to step up and tip that thrown someday or would you really rather face the government regulations that they blindly set to what puts our money in their freakin' pockets just like they do with offline trade? '

    Think about that one...
     
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    They made comment to a CNN ticker. They ' are to make their official announcement soon regarding the matter,' as I was told when confronting them on the matter to get the offical word. All they will say as a direct comment is ' we are structuring our formal release on the matter to address the issue once the new policies are complete. '
     
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    Well thanks for the follow up, but you should probably have said this in the original post. To be fair (and I have a background in running adult sites) adult usually leads the way with things. Adult is primarily responsible for the general monetization of the internet. They have always been leading the pack for things such as billing, programming, and the likes.

    Lately though (past few years) it has also led the pack for exploitation and abuse. Not just shady webmasters, but also shady companies with shady billing practices. I talk to a co-owner of one of the largest adult networks of pay sites regularly, and his primary job is to extract as much cash out of the surfer as possible, using shady cross sales and the likes. Couple that with "free trials" with recurring billing methods (hidden in small text in the tos usually), offshore spammers who blindly spam porn to any email address they can find, and your going to draw some heat from the government. Porn is easy to band against, mainly because the majority of the population can't admit openly to jerking off to porn.

    I really think any webmaster, pay site owner, free site owner, etc. needs to scrub their site with the bigger parental filter companies. Most legit pay sites already do this, but it's the affiliates/free site owners who think a hit is a hit. If anything do it so your not wasting fucking bandwith on people who don't even have a credit card to join.

    I am not going to lie awhile back, I ran a small network of free sites that got six figure hits a day, and not one of them did I scrub with parental filter companies. It just never occurred to me. I was young and brash, and honestly just did not give a shit back then. Now I think it's not only smart business (save on bandwith + keep your ass out of the fire), but it's just the right thing to do. Yeah kids will find porn somehow or another, but at least it wont be from your site.


    I think what we need to focus on in the US is
    *ding ding ding*

    Better Parenting - there is no a small child should be able to find all this free porn, with the ammount of parental controls out there. Google can't force people to be good parents, so they are going to force webmasters and site owners to play mommy and daddy? Sadly a parental control is useless if it's not applied.
     
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    They made comment to a CNN ticker. They ' are to make their official announcement soon regarding the matter,' as I was told when confronting them on the matter to get the offical word. All they will say as a direct comment is ' we are structuring our formal release on the matter to address the issue once the new policies are complete. '

    The whole reason I posted it is a preventive warning to give people time to make the transition into other methods if they are in the spamming arena because it is going to be on the market fairly quick due to these ' slaps ' making quick changes when they come out.

    Even though, I completely agree that the government has never been exactly ' on the ball,' the market has.
     
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    This goes for videos, audios, emails, and ads that are spam content, loaded with cookies, virus material and or otherwise ' non- relevant ' content. They are saying that they are going to band and blacklist anyone found to be involved with spamming on any of their services. Ebay and Craigslist are said to be following suit soon.
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    i'll go in jail because of my ' non- relevant ' content and because i uploaded such a spamy vids on youtube + my pages are loaded with tons of cookies ... do they charge for promoting zangocash tooo ?
     
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