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Google and Duplicate content experiment!

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by tnhomestead, Jan 10, 2012.

  1. tnhomestead

    tnhomestead Regular Member

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    Ok wanted to see what would happen. Took a brand new site that I want to use down the road, nice wordpress theme, and about 16 plr articles. Did minimal link building, a little No hands seo is all -- just to bookmark it. Same linkbuiilding was done on another site same time to rule out any effects from that. Site ran well for first 2 months then WHAM disappeared from google rankings! Site started showing page 3, made it to 25 then dropped like a rock to 100 and past. Site:domainname still shows all pages indexed! In Bing and Yahoo, no penalty, currently 17, 25 and 52 for different keywords!
    Have replaced most of the plr content with 100% uniques quality, want to see what happens next. has about 5 PLR articles left. Will give it a month, see if it recovers in Google, then replace all content and see what happens!

    So far the moral is == REWRITE CONTENT or GET SLAPPED!!!

    Hope this helps a few folks understand the need for rewriting all articles!
     
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  2. dichotomy

    dichotomy Regular Member

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    Thanks for this. Some questions:

    Were both sites brand news?
    Were both sites of similar niche?
    Were both sites run with 'identical' NHSEO profiles?

    What niche btw if you don't mind?
     
  3. tnhomestead

    tnhomestead Regular Member

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    Both sites were brand new. They are in different niches, so there is a difference there, but both were of similar competitiveness. Here is last weeks run to check rankings.
    # Keyword Google Rank Google Difference Bing US Rank Bing US Difference Yahoo! Rank Yahoo! Difference Visibility Visibility Difference Tags
    1 xxx Not in top 100 Stays out 52 0 52 +1 0 0%
    8 xxx Not in top 100 Stays out 20 +5 20 +5 22 +11%
    9 xxx Not in top 100 Stays out 13 +4 13 +4 36 +9%

    This is todays for the same keywords
    # Keyword Google Rank Google Difference Bing US Rank Bing US Difference Yahoo! Rank Yahoo! Difference Visibility Visibility Difference Tags
    1 xxx Not in top 100 Stays out 30 +22 30 +22 2 +2%
    2 xxx Not in top 100 Stays out 13 +7 13 +7 36 +16%
    3 xxx Not in top 100 Stays out 7 +6 7 +6 48 +13%
     
  4. t0m3313

    t0m3313 Regular Member

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    Quite interessting. I agree on having own, well written content is necassary. But on other side i see a competitor ranking top 10 by copying a wikipedia articel :rolleyes:

    But i don't mind. That makes it easier for me.
     
  5. Jilted

    Jilted BANNED BANNED

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    Have unique quality content, always. Also Don't go inactive for a long time, let google know the site is still active by posting stuff from time to time.
    Content is king guys.
     
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    Multiple dupe articles linking to your site won't penalize you.

    If that could penalize you, everyone would be doing it to their competitors.
     
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    jimwells987 Newbie

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    Nice experiment OP.
     
  8. crab007

    crab007 Newbie

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    just out of interest ( i know we should always use unique content - so be gentle on a noob) but if you need to populate a site from rss feeds, would it work?

    you use duplicate content from several sources say rss to make a single article, lets say 1/3 from each of three different feeds all of which are well indexed and combine them into a single article, would google still consider it duplicate content?
     
  9. Techxan

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    Duplicate content is the same page contents, on multiple pages, within one site.

    Using PLR is does not create duplicate content when used on different sites. When two sites have the same content is is called Syndicated content. Google will try to figure out the authoritative author (original source of the material when it appeared online) in the case of syndicated content, and rank subsequent publishers lower than the original article.

    Google will rank this syndicated content by it's quality and by the authority of the site presenting the syndicated content, and whether any of the syndicated content is credited to the original source.

    In other words, suppose you write an article, and it is really good. So good that I steal it and use it as is or spin it so poorly that it is still recognizable and use it.

    My site displaying your content will not get a hit for duplicate content. It would be ranked lower than your site, because the original source (your site) will be assigned higher authority for that article.

    Always remember that Google seldom punishes natural behavior. It is natural for content to be shared and duplicated on the web. This is in a nutshell what DARPA had in mind when the Internet was conceived.

    If there truly were a duplicate content penalty, you would only find one copy of anything on the internet, every other example of the duplicated material would be de-indexed.

    What happens instead it is that if the article has been widely used, the uses of that article before you use it has used the authority to be gained by posting it again. In other words there are so many people ahead of you, you don't count.

    You can test this yourself. Go to Harvard law school (or any authoritative site) and download a some of their original content to put on your web page.

    When your web page gets indexed, if there is such a thing as a duplicate content penalty, your page would not get indexed, or it would get indexed and then fall out of the index, and your site would take a ranking hit.

    This is not what happens at all. More than likely your site would tool along and notice no difference in rankings, but your page would never outrank Harvard's page.

    If you were to quote this content as quoted content and link to Harvard as the source, your site would likely rise in rank because of the outgoing link that points to the original source. Google would grant your site a tad bit more authority because you are behaving in a way that is natural on the web. You should always credit your sources. It gives you credibility.

    This is why savvy marketers use PLR as inspiration, and rewrite the article until it passes copy scape. This is why everyone tells you to re-write PLR.

    If you want to see a duplicate content penalty put up a page with content on it and advertise a product on that page. Wait for it to show up in the index, then build another page with the same content, and advertise another product on it. Rinse and repeat, and one day very soon, your site will disappear even when searched for by domain name.

    When someone searches for any article the sites that display that exact content will rank in order of their own authority without regard to the fact they have the same content as each other. Usually the original poster will be on the first page, but he were a relative unknown on the web, the sites that syndicated his information first may be higher up in the serps, if their authority matches the authority of the other syndicators.

    What a lot of people are calling a duplicate content penalty is in fact a poor quality article penalty.
     
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  10. crab007

    crab007 Newbie

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    nice reply sidebo ( i'm giving you rep)
    i was wondering how to rip content that i couldn't avoid using, so acknowledging original source is a good way to go and then spin some lesser sources to pad out article and hopefully i can get some reasonable ranking
     
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  11. Techxan

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    Appreciate the rep, Thanks
     
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    I can't agree with that!
    You can outrank ANY webpage. If you have enough good quality links (and I'm not talking here about PR) you can do that.
    You can steal content from Harvard law school website and outrank it on this content.

    If you'll show big G, that your site is better to expose this content than Harvard site you will be placed above them.


    Duplicate Content is a myth!
     
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    I will agree that you could rank higher that Harvard with quality links for a while. But I would bet that 10 years from now Harvard is still here and your site is gone.
    The power of backlinks is waning, and it is happening now. Spam linking will come home to roost.
     
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    Duplicate content. Is that myth STILL going around??? And BTW quit linking to your competitors. That just screams NEWBIE. That has to be the most foolish thing I have ever heard. You're going to link to an authority site to make it even more of an authority site. Think about that for a few minutes people. That very reason is why I'm trying to bust .edu's out of the top spots at the moment. If you know how to write an article to rank you wouldn't have to pull all of this carp. I'll be sure to tell all of those article sites with my duplicate content ranking in first second and third spots on Google that duplicate content penalty is alive and well. LOL

    Stuff like this that just confirms my belief that Panda was just Google yelling fire!! in a crowded theater. BTW - Isn't that against the law?
     
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    You're right;) Its all truth with DC
     
  16. crab007

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    ok guys - the sites an iPhone app site (its in the domain so has to be)
    so i need content
    option 1) pick a handful of apps and get proper content on them
    option 2) get the basic promotional data about as many of the 500,000 apps iTunes sells
    (as you can imagine apples rss is a must)
    But every man and his beast also use this feed and the content is almost impossible to spin well ( best I've done and still usable was 3.4% unique)

    BTW i am linking back to iTunes, so giving credit for the content won't hurt me (but i understand where you guys are coming from with link backs)

    option 3) run to mummy and say the boys won't play nice ... sniff sniff

    so where do you go option 1 could get authority, but it'll suffer with low hits
    option 3 ... my mums a heartless cow ... lets not go there ( love you mummy ... i'm telling lies, you are the best)
    or option 3 but i'll get indexed and be down on page 20 at best , but the question is if your article has come from more than one source and will possible be in recognisable blocks, does that in itself make it unique and worthy of G placement? or would i sit in the bottom of the search results under "284 pages have similar content - if you can be arsed,click here and we'll show you the pages"?
     
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    In my opinion, this is an incorrect statement. If you are a significant player in a niche, and you have a website that NEVER links to anyone else in the niche, then you are doing your readers a disfavor. Not participating in the general discussion of your niche on the web is a mistake.

    Clearly the last year has shown that you WILL GAIN BENEFIT from linking to an authority site in your niche, if it makes sense for the content of the page and to improve the experience for visitors.

    No one can seriously state that this does not help today, and the same thing applies to no-follow links. Forget the myth, no-follow links are followed AND pass link juice.

    And as for screaming newbie, how many times a year do you think CNN refers to other news media?
     
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