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So my IM journey has been a mish mash of many methods and angles at trying to make money online. I've been trying to make money online since 2011. Its 2018 and I have only made $12.

That took quite a bit of courage to say out loud. I'm sharing it here because i feel like for me, dwelling on this somewhat embarrassing fact is what is keeping me from success.

For many years, i was seriously caught up in the shiny object syndrome and sometimes even now I don't know if I've fully snapped out of it.

I've spent thousands, in the tens of thousands on products and courses that i could never follow through for various reasons. Some say I've been scammed but i know that it isn't the case. I only lacked the motivation and sometimes capital to follow through with the method.

Its funny I remember when i first started out in IM I read a post that went just like this and I swore to myself I would never be so dumb as to spend tens of thousands on products and courses without having some sort of a ROI first.

But what do you know, here we are, and how time flies.

Without going into too much, I think when I first started I was relatively young and was excited to explore what's going on in IM and in the then-burgeoning digital world. I was not practical minded in the least bit and was also sort of undecided and drifting around, not really knowing what to do with my life. Hence the drifting in IM too.

But growing older has sort of mellowed me out and I now also have a singular purpose of really wanting and needing this to work so I can quit my job. I work as a courier now and being on the road for 11 hours a day, 5 days a week is exhausting and can get dangerous. Getting into a minor accident last week has put things into perspective for me [I'm doing okay now :) ]. I can't do this job for the long term.

Also I really have to do better for myself. It's a pretty good job, pays the bills proper but there is no career progression and it's just too dangerous being on the road 55 hours a week. You're completely open to the elements- the weather, the road, the other vehicles and human beings, wide open for them to take you on their good and bad days. It takes a thick skin and hardened exterior to really survive and thrive in those conditions, my hats off to them. Some people just aren't built for it.

Anyway i will talk a little about my little wins and losses in IM over the last eight years. I'm here again to make this work this time round. So posting here will help me in some accountability.

2011-2012:
Courses purchased- Bringthefresh monthly membership, SEOacademy, App development course that i won't name

Made my very first amazon review site based around one product on a exact match domain. About ten months in, made two sales in the same week and got about $12 in commission. Was never able to cash out the $12 though because I didn't meet the minimum cashing out amount. So I guess I haven't made any money at all from 2011-2018.

Didn't make anymore sales despite ranking the same position. Thought the product review route was too hit and miss and wasn't worth my efforts. Gave up.

Bought a mobile app development course a few months later for $6000. I was spurred on by the promotional message that the founder made millions of dollars with his first app and routinely discovers ideas for apps that would make millions of dollars too.

I was 21 and thought being a millionaire sounded great. Plus almost all the "gurus" i followed at the time were promoting this course. Strange given they were mostly SEO people with little mobile app experience. They were likely only concerned with their commission on a $6000 product.

Anyway, it was 4am, I was high on caffeine at Starbucks and i dropped the $6000 on the course. Worst decision ever.

I have zero knowledge in ios/android coding and zero interest in making games, which was really the bulk of the suggested app ideas- game development and getting users to buy stuff within the games. (this was not mentioned in the presales Q&A)

To be fair, they did have students making loads of money from developing games using their methods. Just didn't click with me.

2013:
Courses purchased- eWealth blueprint- a lead gen course, Source infinitum monthly membership, OMG machines Lite version

Started reading source wave SEO blog by Alex Becker and joined Source infinitum. Got lucky with my very first pbn site, which had genuine .edu links and a CBS news link going to it. With just five links coming from this one site plus some links from unique article wizard (wonder if they are still around), i ranked among top three for many keywords for a lead gen site for interior design services.

3000 visitors a month, about 5 leads coming in each week. I sold the first few leads to a very eager owner and we agreed he would pay me around $50 for each lead. I must have given him seven leads in that month because i still remember i was waiting for $350 to help pay my rent.

The money never came in and the owner said it's because the prospect went with another company. I explained that I was offering him leads, and regardless of whether he closed the sale or not he should pay for the leads. I don't know what happened to the other leads I gave him because i never spoke to him again.

I felt cheated of my time and efforts and gave up on the site for a few months (I know, overly sensitive much?). By the time i was ready to get back in it again, i couldn't afford to renew my hosting plan.
I didn't think to migrate it to some cheap or free host so i lost the pbn domain and then my rankings for good.

2014: A Amazon FBA course i wont name. Affilorama membership. Affilojetpack.

Dropped $6000 on Amazon FBA course. Found a potentially successful product but halfway in, realised I lacked the capital again to complete the process from production to promotion. Also lacked motivation due to events in my personal life and i gave up.

2015: Tried my hand ranking youtube videos to sell digital products from placing affiliate link in description box. Video ranked in among top three in Youtube search results. Got upwards of ten thousand views in couple of months but again i couldn't monetise it. Had hundreds of people per month clicking over to the sales page, but zero sales!

This was a product that was supposed to convert well as it routinely has the highest gravity in clickbank stats for its category. I got frustrated and gave up again.

2016: Break from IM

2017: Got interested in SEO again and bought a course. Looking to implement what I have learnt soon.

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It has taken me quite a while to muster the courage to attempt this again. I thought I was done with IM for good in 2016 after I couldn't monetise traffic yet again. But I'll give this another shot.

Only after writing this have I realised that a huge internal obstacle for me not taking action is not being able to monetise my content after ranking my properties. This has been a common theme in my journey, not being able to monetise content or websites that were getting thousands of visitors and hundreds of clicks.

If someone knows of a good resource on strategies to convert visitors into sales from seo copy, web copywriting or web design, can you point me to it? Is there some wordpress theme or design layout or some way of building content around it that will help with conversions?

For the two times I did Amazon associate's and Clickbank, I targeted buyer keywords like " [product name] review". Why do you think I didn't get any sales? Any advice on how to convert my traffic in the best way possible?

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Thanks for reading. I needed to get all this out so that I can look at my failures concretely and move on from them.

Hope it doesn't look like some form of emotional word vomit to you reading. It probably does, but I have to say it feels quite cathartic.

Maybe someone new to IM can read this and in some way learn to be more discerning and cautious of people trying to sell you stuff, especially when you're going through the inevitable shiny object syndrome. Do full and extensive research on what you're getting before spending a single cent in it.

If all goes as planned, I'll post an update in the journey section over the next few weeks about what my plans are coming back into IM again.
 
Stop buying courses and use that money to test methods instead. All of the information can be found by reading threads here at BHW.

Good luck this time around! $6000 can buy some pretty good Pbn sites even in 2018
 
Stop buying courses and use that money to test methods instead. All of the information can be found by reading threads here at BHW.

Good luck this time around! $6000 can buy some pretty good Pbn sites even in 2018

Thanks! Don't have that kind of dough anymore but you're right, $6000 is plenty for a real good pbn
 
I hate to say it but if you invested 6k to learn mobile app dev. in 2012... u shouldve gone full in even if the course was shit and start learning java and the iphone language (all that is free info on internet) imagine in 6 years of persistence... of mobile app development...

i'm sorry, no pity from me. you give up and move to the next golden ticket, without learning the thing thrown at you. good luck.

/edit: for the record i did learn programming.. javascript took 6 months. that while having two jobs and going to the gym.
 
I hate to say it but if you invested 6k to learn mobile app dev. in 2012... u shouldve gone full in even if the course was shit and start learning java and the iphone language (all that is free info on internet) imagine in 6 years of persistence... of mobile app development...

i'm sorry, no pity from me. you give up and move to the next golden ticket, without learning the thing thrown at you. good luck.

/edit: for the record i did learn programming.. javascript took 6 months. that while having two jobs and going to the gym.

Wasn't searching for pity in the least bit.

And good on you! I don't have the aptitude nor proclivity for programming.
 
I'm going to be a lil' harsh here because I think you need to hear it.

Let's rephrase "shiny object syndrome" and call it what it is: a draw to "easy money," and an inability to put the right amount of effort in once you obtain the course. Now I don't blame this fully on you because that's what the gurus do and that's how they make money.

They make it seem so easy & know that most people who buy their courses won't put in the work, but you gotta be honest with yourself.

What's the longest you've put into making one method work? Or even better: what have you created that provides VALUE to people in the world? Stop thinking in terms of methods because they will come and go, but think in terms of value.

The leadgen thing seems to be most promising, but looks like you stopped doing it because of some "head trash."

Take some time and think about yourself and your life.

Are you afraid of failure? Rejection? If so then why? Is it because you feel what you're selling doesn't provide real value to the people who you're selling to? Because of something else?

What's your outlook on money? You're obviously willing to spend money on "education," but is it actual education or guru BS that won't be useful?

I'm proud of you for making this post and making the admission that things haven't worked. Takes lots of guts to do that. You've taken the first step, don't waste it. IMO most of your failures come from an issue w/ psychology and not from some lack of understanding methods or not knowing enough.

Even in your current post there's an obvious pattern:
Some people just aren't built for it.
Thought the product review route was too hit and miss and wasn't worth my efforts
Just didn't click with me.
gave up on the site for a few months
I got frustrated and gave up again.

Do you see it? It's as if you're looking for THE ONE thing that will "click with you" and work rather than picking one thing & sticking with it for 6 months or more. The beginning of any project is easy. It's fun. Exciting. You dream of the limitless potential and what you will do once you "make it."

But then comes the hard part. The part that every successful person has gotten through. The part that you seem to avoid because you seem to look at it as if it only happens to you & that you just need to find THE THING where this won't happen.

Well, I'm sorry to say, but everything has this hard part. The world isn't as easy as the gurus who are selling you crap would like you to think.

I know people who have struggled to make money online for years & I know millionaires who have made money from real estate, SAAS, lead gen, YouTube, affiliate marketing, AdWords, and more.

The one thing that separates the two groups is their mindset.

Looking to implement what I have learnt soon

Soon. Why soon? When is soon?
 
I'm going to be a lil' harsh here because I think you need to hear it.

Let's rephrase "shiny object syndrome" and call it what it is: a draw to "easy money," and an inability to put the right amount of effort in once you obtain the course. Now I don't blame this fully on you because that's what the gurus do and that's how they make money.

They make it seem so easy & know that most people who buy their courses won't put in the work, but you gotta be honest with yourself.

What's the longest you've put into making one method work? Or even better: what have you created that provides VALUE to people in the world? Stop thinking in terms of methods because they will come and go, but think in terms of value.

The leadgen thing seems to be most promising, but looks like you stopped doing it because of some "head trash."

Take some time and think about yourself and your life.

Are you afraid of failure? Rejection? If so then why? Is it because you feel what you're selling doesn't provide real value to the people who you're selling to? Because of something else?

What's your outlook on money? You're obviously willing to spend money on "education," but is it actual education or guru BS that won't be useful?

I'm proud of you for making this post and making the admission that things haven't worked. Takes lots of guts to do that. You've taken the first step, don't waste it. IMO most of your failures come from an issue w/ psychology and not from some lack of understanding methods or not knowing enough.

Even in your current post there's an obvious pattern:






Do you see it? It's as if you're looking for THE ONE thing that will "click with you" and work rather than picking one thing & sticking with it for 6 months or more. The beginning of any project is easy. It's fun. Exciting. You dream of the limitless potential and what you will do once you "make it."

But then comes the hard part. The part that every successful person has gotten through. The part that you seem to avoid because you seem to look at it as if it only happens to you & that you just need to find THE THING where this won't happen.

Well, I'm sorry to say, but everything has this hard part. The world isn't as easy as the gurus who are selling you crap would like you to think.

I know people who have struggled to make money online for years & I know millionaires who have made money from real estate, SAAS, lead gen, YouTube, affiliate marketing, AdWords, and more.

The one thing that separates the two groups is their mindset.



Soon. Why soon? When is soon?

Hi thanks for the reply. Tried to pm you but can't yet.

I'm with you 100% that it's totally about the mindset. I'm not sure how you saw it but you're right during the creation phase I always have issues with feeling like I'm not really adding value and making a difference with content I put out. As a result I spend too much time idealising and too little taking action.

And as a result probably also stopped working on the lead gen site after I didn't get paid because I thought I really wasn't providing value to the business.

I was not quite in the right mindset, I won't go into details of course but sometimes the vicissitudes of life (one's personal life) can really do things to you and affect every single aspect of your life.

I'll start posting soon next or next next week (I'm waiting for my laptop to arrive) in the journeys section.
 
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I was not quite in the right mindset, I won't go into details of course but sometimes the vicissitudes of life (one's personal life) can really do things to you and affect every single aspect of your life.

I'll start posting soon next or next next week (I'm waiting for my laptop to arrive) in the journeys section.

Totally get that. Sometimes things outside of our control, or that seem outside of our control, can affect every aspect of our life in such a negative manner that getting through it takes precedence over anything else.

Good luck! Excited to see your progress :)
 
I must say, your story, although long is quite interesting. However, if I may, I would suggest that maybe the thirst for knowledge is a bigger driving force than the capital you have at your disposal for courses. If you want to learn something, there are plenty of ways to do it. So, dive in and do your research. Otherwise, I just wanted to say good luck and stay persistent!
 
Does anyone know an app that can read text?
 
Never ever buy make money online courses especially if its sold for thousands of dollars. I still remember back in 2008 (15 years old) I was tempted to buy make money online courses, but thank God, I found this forum.
 
I must say, your story, although long is quite interesting. However, if I may, I would suggest that maybe the thirst for knowledge is a bigger driving force than the capital you have at your disposal for courses. If you want to learn something, there are plenty of ways to do it. So, dive in and do your research. Otherwise, I just wanted to say good luck and stay persistent!

Thank you!

Yes I was voraciously reading about digital marketing and programming in those days. Was more in the idealistic lala land side of things, and gave up easily when things didn't go my way, whenever I did take action.
 
Never ever buy make money online courses especially if its sold for thousands of dollars. I still remember back in 2008 (15 years old) I was tempted to buy make money online courses, but thank God, I found this forum.

Lucky you! Yup I've learned many expensive lessons and I will NEVER spend more than a thousand on a course again. Maybe unless if it's to enter some high level mastermind type group, it's just not worth it.
 
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Totally get that. Sometimes things outside of our control, or that seem outside of our control, can affect every aspect of our life in such a negative manner that getting through it takes precedence over anything else.

Good luck! Excited to see your progress :)

Thank you!

And thanks for your first reply. I think I needed to hear it.
 
I think BeatDaBest said it the best :) Focus on one method for 12 months and see how you go, and move from there. How much do you get paid at your job btw? It seems really dangerous :)
 
Wow. Just wow. Hats off to you, for having that determination to push through.

I feel sorry for your lost of time and money on products/courses that resulted to nothing. I'm an IM noob myself, but at least I can browse BHW whenever I want, and I think this is already a step forward. For now, I'm just learning from free stuff, definitely gonna put it into action once I get a source of income. Doesn't matter if I fail, if I fail many times, for no one's counting. In fact, I want to fail, so I can learn better.

Also, I'm fortunate enough to be warned about these "easy money" schemes. I spent the initial days of my IM journey looking for the best dropshipping/amazon/fb marketing/you-name-it courses online, each one even complete with positive reviews when searched on Google. Only to realize that these gurus are marketers themselves.

Maybe you should try building solid IM knowledge first? From your post, I assume you just got overwhelmed by the courses you bought, and ultimately mastered nothing at the end (forgive me if I'm wrong). If you haven't yet, why not try free courses like Digital Garage, FB Blueprint, or even Hubspot? These are on my list, actually. Also gonna mention another free course that I'm enjoying right now - FIMP (Free Internet Marketing Project) by Ian Pribyl.

I just hope everything that I typed even made a little sense (If not, then roast me. Gently).
Good luck. Would be sure to read your updates.
 
I think BeatDaBest said it the best :) Focus on one method for 12 months and see how you go, and move from there. How much do you get paid at your job btw? It seems really dangerous :)

It pays about $15 an hour. Any job that requires you to be on the road full time is dangerous. Anything can happen because so many things are going on around you.
 
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Wow. Just wow. Hats off to you, for having that determination to push through.

I feel sorry for your lost of time and money on products/courses that resulted to nothing. I'm an IM noob myself, but at least I can browse BHW whenever I want, and I think this is already a step forward. For now, I'm just learning from free stuff, definitely gonna put it into action once I get a source of income. Doesn't matter if I fail, if I fail many times, for no one's counting. In fact, I want to fail, so I can learn better.

Also, I'm fortunate enough to be warned about these "easy money" schemes. I spent the initial days of my IM journey looking for the best dropshipping/amazon/fb marketing/you-name-it courses online, each one even complete with positive reviews when searched on Google. Only to realize that these gurus are marketers themselves.

Maybe you should try building solid IM knowledge first? From your post, I assume you just got overwhelmed by the courses you bought, and ultimately mastered nothing at the end (forgive me if I'm wrong). If you haven't yet, why not try free courses like Digital Garage, FB Blueprint, or even Hubspot? These are on my list, actually. Also gonna mention another free course that I'm enjoying right now - FIMP (Free Internet Marketing Project) by Ian Pribyl.

I just hope everything that I typed even made a little sense (If not, then roast me. Gently).
Good luck. Would be sure to read your updates.

Hey there I must have missed your reply.

Yes I was overwhelmed with information and really wanted to learn every thing. Couldn't settle on a single make money method and kept getting distracted.

It's really all about taking action. And yes don't be afraid to fail, you learn so much from failing though it can be embarrassing and scary.

Good luck, and take action soon! Use the free link building methods so you don't have to wait for an income source. I'm bootstrapping my next project too, and I'm just going to get all the free links I can but of course remember to choose low competition keywords to rank with just free links.

Thanks for the recommendations I will check out the free courses.
 
hey blue
So my IM journey has been a mish mash of many methods and angles at trying to make money online. I've been trying to make money online since 2011. Its 2018 and I have only made $12.

That took quite a bit of courage to say out loud. I'm sharing it here because i feel like for me, dwelling on this somewhat embarrassing fact is what is keeping me from success.

For many years, i was seriously caught up in the shiny object syndrome and sometimes even now I don't know if I've fully snapped out of it.

I've spent thousands, in the tens of thousands on products and courses that i could never follow through for various reasons. Some say I've been scammed but i know that it isn't the case. I only lacked the motivation and sometimes capital to follow through with the method.

Its funny I remember when i first started out in IM I read a post that went just like this and I swore to myself I would never be so dumb as to spend tens of thousands on products and courses without having some sort of a ROI first.

But what do you know, here we are, and how time flies.

Without going into too much, I think when I first started I was relatively young and was excited to explore what's going on in IM and in the then-burgeoning digital world. I was not practical minded in the least bit and was also sort of undecided and drifting around, not really knowing what to do with my life. Hence the drifting in IM too.

But growing older has sort of mellowed me out and I now also have a singular purpose of really wanting and needing this to work so I can quit my job. I work as a courier now and being on the road for 11 hours a day, 5 days a week is exhausting and can get dangerous. Getting into a minor accident last week has put things into perspective for me [I'm doing okay now :) ]. I can't do this job for the long term.

Also I really have to do better for myself. It's a pretty good job, pays the bills proper but there is no career progression and it's just too dangerous being on the road 55 hours a week. You're completely open to the elements- the weather, the road, the other vehicles and human beings, wide open for them to take you on their good and bad days. It takes a thick skin and hardened exterior to really survive and thrive in those conditions, my hats off to them. Some people just aren't built for it.

Anyway i will talk a little about my little wins and losses in IM over the last eight years. I'm here again to make this work this time round. So posting here will help me in some accountability.

2011-2012:
Courses purchased- Bringthefresh monthly membership, SEOacademy, App development course that i won't name

Made my very first amazon review site based around one product on a exact match domain. About ten months in, made two sales in the same week and got about $12 in commission. Was never able to cash out the $12 though because I didn't meet the minimum cashing out amount. So I guess I haven't made any money at all from 2011-2018.

Didn't make anymore sales despite ranking the same position. Thought the product review route was too hit and miss and wasn't worth my efforts. Gave up.

Bought a mobile app development course a few months later for $6000. I was spurred on by the promotional message that the founder made millions of dollars with his first app and routinely discovers ideas for apps that would make millions of dollars too.

I was 21 and thought being a millionaire sounded great. Plus almost all the "gurus" i followed at the time were promoting this course. Strange given they were mostly SEO people with little mobile app experience. They were likely only concerned with their commission on a $6000 product.

Anyway, it was 4am, I was high on caffeine at Starbucks and i dropped the $6000 on the course. Worst decision ever.

I have zero knowledge in ios/android coding and zero interest in making games, which was really the bulk of the suggested app ideas- game development and getting users to buy stuff within the games. (this was not mentioned in the presales Q&A)

To be fair, they did have students making loads of money from developing games using their methods. Just didn't click with me.

2013:
Courses purchased- eWealth blueprint- a lead gen course, Source infinitum monthly membership, OMG machines Lite version

Started reading source wave SEO blog by Alex Becker and joined Source infinitum. Got lucky with my very first pbn site, which had genuine .edu links and a CBS news link going to it. With just five links coming from this one site plus some links from unique article wizard (wonder if they are still around), i ranked among top three for many keywords for a lead gen site for interior design services.

3000 visitors a month, about 5 leads coming in each week. I sold the first few leads to a very eager owner and we agreed he would pay me around $50 for each lead. I must have given him seven leads in that month because i still remember i was waiting for $350 to help pay my rent.

The money never came in and the owner said it's because the prospect went with another company. I explained that I was offering him leads, and regardless of whether he closed the sale or not he should pay for the leads. I don't know what happened to the other leads I gave him because i never spoke to him again.

I felt cheated of my time and efforts and gave up on the site for a few months (I know, overly sensitive much?). By the time i was ready to get back in it again, i couldn't afford to renew my hosting plan.
I didn't think to migrate it to some cheap or free host so i lost the pbn domain and then my rankings for good.

2014: A Amazon FBA course i wont name. Affilorama membership. Affilojetpack.

Dropped $6000 on Amazon FBA course. Found a potentially successful product but halfway in, realised I lacked the capital again to complete the process from production to promotion. Also lacked motivation due to events in my personal life and i gave up.

2015: Tried my hand ranking youtube videos to sell digital products from placing affiliate link in description box. Video ranked in among top three in Youtube search results. Got upwards of ten thousand views in couple of months but again i couldn't monetise it. Had hundreds of people per month clicking over to the sales page, but zero sales!

This was a product that was supposed to convert well as it routinely has the highest gravity in clickbank stats for its category. I got frustrated and gave up again.

2016: Break from IM

2017: Got interested in SEO again and bought a course. Looking to implement what I have learnt soon.

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It has taken me quite a while to muster the courage to attempt this again. I thought I was done with IM for good in 2016 after I couldn't monetise traffic yet again. But I'll give this another shot.

Only after writing this have I realised that a huge internal obstacle for me not taking action is not being able to monetise my content after ranking my properties. This has been a common theme in my journey, not being able to monetise content or websites that were getting thousands of visitors and hundreds of clicks.

If someone knows of a good resource on strategies to convert visitors into sales from seo copy, web copywriting or web design, can you point me to it? Is there some wordpress theme or design layout or some way of building content around it that will help with conversions?

For the two times I did Amazon associate's and Clickbank, I targeted buyer keywords like " [product name] review". Why do you think I didn't get any sales? Any advice on how to convert my traffic in the best way possible?

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Thanks for reading. I needed to get all this out so that I can look at my failures concretely and move on from them.

Hope it doesn't look like some form of emotional word vomit to you reading. It probably does, but I have to say it feels quite cathartic.

Maybe someone new to IM can read this and in some way learn to be more discerning and cautious of people trying to sell you stuff, especially when you're going through the inevitable shiny object syndrome. Do full and extensive research on what you're getting before spending a single cent in it.

If all goes as planned, I'll post an update in the journey section over the next few weeks about what my plans are coming back into IM again.


dude this forum will definitely give you more value than any of the courses you take...keep grinding !
 
Here's my post in the journey discussions: https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/undefined-roi-by-end-december-2019-amazon-affiliate-marketing.1053499/#post-11341219
 
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