Getting a Degree

All of these things happen when you get a degree. I think that some people can get there without a degree, but I think that most people have some sort of education before they made their fortune. Because you meet people during the learning, and lots of options becomes available to you during the learning.
The education they received prior to their success is often irrelevant. You're giving universities credit for something they didn't create. This is something estranged relatives do when one of their family members becomes successful ("I helped raise him", "I taught him that", "I'm the reason he's like that", are all common statements made by them). If you want to meet people for networking, then go to group meetups (in person) and chat with people online. Find out where people who work in your field congregate or bring them together by creating your own group.

I'm not looking after a degree which will give me options, I'm looking after something which will expand the way that I'm thinking about things. Something which will allow me to do things that I cannot do because that I'm not able to think about them right now.
Do you want to expand the way you think? Try one of these cheaper and much more viable alternatives:


  • Travel
  • Study another culture
  • Learn a foreign language (Already know one? Learn another one)
  • Talk to people who have an opinion that conflicts with your own and consider why they think the way they do (which is something you can do on this thread)
  • Study a new subject
  • Learn to play an instrument
  • Learn how to do something you normally wouldn't talk an interest in (glass blowing, wood engraving, metalworking, circuitry, cobbling, etcetera)
  • Improve your current skills.

@Zwielicht
As you have read, I want to get a degree to open my mind. I'm not looking after a written diploma that I can put on the wall, I'm also not looking to get a job using this diploma. I'm looking after something which will enrich my mind. If I can find something which is in some way related to marketing - I have found a bonus package.
Only one of my friends have a degree right now, and he is not doing anything good with it, so not that's not the cause.
I also not going after adverts or anything similiar. I just honestly think that there are stuff that can be taught only in university.
For example, if I wanted to start an offline business I would probably want to get a degree in lawyering - because you cannot learn it off the university! (at least not at my country)
The internet era made everything available within 2 clicks of the mouse, but yet there are lot of things which are not online and which you cannot learn only with the internet, even if you are the most autodidact guy in the world.

When I mentioned the advertisements, I was speaking more about branding. For example, I have a 17 year old sister who didn't know what she wanted to do with her life. She looked into many different career choices, but then one day she told me that she wants to go to college and started speaking about how great colleges were. When I asked her why she suddenly wanted to go, she told me, "I don't know, I just felt like it was a sign that I should go. I kept seeing all of these advertisements on Facebook and I took it as a sign that I should go". This is all a part of marketing. Colleges target people during times of desperation so that they can increase their enrolment rates. Instead of me typing out what I've said many times before, here are some of my quotes from older threads on this forum:

You mean accreditation. It's because too many people are pushed to go to college without a purpose (or the purpose is just to "make more money"). At one point in time, college degrees were meant to create well-rounded citizens (their original purpose) and help people get into careers which did require a college degree (jobs like psychology and teaching positions). Over time, once employers started using college degrees after Griggs v Duke Power, colleges essentially became trade schools with the promise of "Getting educated and making more money". This was also thanks to the marketing efforts, something we should all be familiar with here, put forth by the colleges to attract more students. This worked out fantastically during a time when employers needed a new way of testing their job applicants, so job applicants began pushing people toward college so that they could have a way to determine their skill level.

During the Great Recession (2007-2009), colleges began marketing themselves more aggressively by falsely promising a ticket to the good life. Because the general public was so desperate, this caused college enrolment to spike more than it ever had in previous recessions. Think of college like Hitler and the general public as Germany, except Hitler managed to get Germany out of the recession by launching a vast program of the construction of highways (right before he started his concentration camps, although this is beside the point), whereas colleges just managed to increase debt to previously unfathomable levels. Either way, both of them used the public's desperation to gain power.


There's a lot more to the history of how the obsession with college began and it's all quite interesting, so I always encourage people to look into it more. Also, before someone turns this into a a "Hitler killed millions of people" topic:
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Here's a link where I describe how the current education system works:
​http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blackhat-lounge/709924-current-education-system.html

In case you're wondering why there are so many iconoclastic posts where I speak about college, it's because these are all arguments I have with people each and every time I go out somewhere. It always starts off with the same questions:

  • So what college are you going to (people naturally assume someone who looks younger than they are is automatically going to college)?
  • Why aren't you in college
  • But why?
  • Have you ever considered going to college?

And then it's followed by that silly concerned facial expression everyone makes after I tell them why I didn't go (I don't see why I need to explain myself, I don't ask them why they are in college and look at them like they're stupid when they give me a lame excuse for attending). They usually don't comprehend what I tell them (which is the same thing I'm telling you), proceed to think of me as an iconclast, and then they tell me I'm wrong because, "if college isn't the answer, then why do so many people go?". More recently, I've revised my argument tactics and have managed to convince some people that they are using college as a crutch to avoid opportunities that require more work.
 
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I love the idea of getting a degree, and I always thought I'd study for one at some point. In reality though I just don't think I have the mind set for it.

I always like doing 10% research / learning and 90% doing.

Could I study and learn about a subject for 3-5 years, I doubt it to be honest. I'd rather be out there doing it.
 
The education they received prior to their success is often irrelevant. You're giving universities credit for something they didn't create. This is something estranged relatives do when one of their family members becomes successful ("I helped raise him", "I taught him that", "I'm the reason he's like that", are all common statements made by them). If you want to meet people for networking, then go to group meetups (in person) and chat with people online. Find out where people who work in your field congregate or bring them together by creating your own group.


Do you want to expand the way you think? Try one of these cheaper and much more viable alternatives:


  • Travel
  • Study another culture
  • Learn a foreign language (Already know one? Learn another one)
  • Talk to people who have an opinion that conflicts with your own and consider why they think the way they do (which is something you can do on this thread)
  • Study a new subject
  • Learn to play an instrument
  • Learn how to do something you normally wouldn't talk an interest in (glass blowing, wood engraving, metalworking, circuitry, cobbling, etcetera)
  • Improve your current skills.



When I mentioned the advertisements, I was speaking more about branding. For example, I have a 17 year old sister who didn't know what she wanted to do with her life. She looked into many different career choices, but then one day she told me that she wants to go to college and started speaking about how great colleges were. When I asked her why she suddenly wanted to go, she told me, "I don't know, I just felt like it was a sign that I should go. I kept seeing all of these advertisements on Facebook and I took it as a sign that I should go". This is all a part of marketing. Colleges target people during times of desperation so that they can increase their enrolment rates. Instead of me typing out what I've said many times before, here are some of my quotes from older threads on this forum:



Here's a link where I describe how the current education system works:
​http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blackhat-lounge/709924-current-education-system.html

In case you're wondering why there are so many iconoclastic posts where I speak about college, it's because these are all arguments I have with people each and every time I go out somewhere. It always starts off with the same questions:

  • So what college are you going to (people naturally assume someone who looks younger than they are is automatically going to college)?
  • Why aren't you in college
  • But why?
  • Have you ever considered going to college?

And then it's followed by that silly concerned facial expression everyone makes after I tell them why I didn't go (I don't see why I need to explain myself, I don't ask them why they are in college and look at them like they're stupid when they give me a lame excuse for attending). They usually don't comprehend what I tell them (which is the same thing I'm telling you), proceed to think of me as an iconclast, and then they tell me I'm wrong because, "if college isn't the answer, then why do so many people go?". More recently, I've revised my argument tactics and have managed to convince some people that they are using college as a crutch to avoid opportunities that require more work.
I agree with most of your writing but nothing has changed in my mind set.
I have been agreeing with you from the beggining.

It's true:
* lots of people followed adverts and got into universities
* lots of people don't know why they learn what they are learning
* lots of people may not find a job afterwards because their degree would not give them any thing useful for a job (i.e. in my country psych degree is bullshit, you will be a waitress with a psych degree)
* lots of people want "to be rich" but they don't know what they want to do in their life, and that's just why they won't be rich

I'm really with you on this.

But you seem to avoid the major thing that I think of university.
What I want to do in life is Internet Marking full time on my own.
I'm thinking about university because that it can HELP me getting towards my target.
How it can helps me? it can give me a better perspective at thinking, more experience, I get to know more people and know more stuff, I get EDUCATED!
The ONLY reason that I want to go to university is because I think that there is stuff in life which you USUALLY cannot learn without taking courses/classes.

For example, in my country if you want to be a lawyer (and I don't to be one), you have to learn it in university. You cannot be a lawyer without getting a degree!
And it's not because you need that diploma paper! It's because that the law rules are not published freely online (at least not all of them), and if you want to compete other lawyers you have to DEDICATE 3 years of your life at learning how to become a lawyer!

It's true that internet marketing isn't something which you can learn at university.
But I think that a business degree WILL help me in my internet marking! Because it will open up my mind!

And yes, you are correct. I can gain more perspective when I go travelling around the world, I can do lots of stuff which will enlight my thinking. But in my opinion when you do a degree you decide to dedicate a big full 3 years to something, and that means a lot.

In my country when you get 21 or 22 you go out to travel the world on your own for like 8-12 months. and that's why I'm not old for this thing, even though that at most of the world starting a degree at 23 is old.

I have an open mind, I'm always open to hear new thoughts and ideas, and that's why I'm happy that you wrote that comment :) I would highly appreciate to see your further thoughts and ideas. Thank you!
 
I agree with most of your writing but nothing has changed in my mind set.
I have been agreeing with you from the beggining.

It's true:
* lots of people followed adverts and got into universities
* lots of people don't know why they learn what they are learning
* lots of people may not find a job afterwards because their degree would not give them any thing useful for a job (i.e. in my country psych degree is bullshit, you will be a waitress with a psych degree)
* lots of people want "to be rich" but they don't know what they want to do in their life, and that's just why they won't be rich

I'm really with you on this.

But you seem to avoid the major thing that I think of university.
What I want to do in life is Internet Marking full time on my own.
I'm thinking about university because that it can HELP me getting towards my target.
How it can helps me? it can give me a better perspective at thinking, more experience, I get to know more people and know more stuff, I get EDUCATED!
The ONLY reason that I want to go to university is because I think that there is stuff in life which you USUALLY cannot learn without taking courses/classes.

For example, in my country if you want to be a lawyer (and I don't to be one), you have to learn it in university. You cannot be a lawyer without getting a degree!
And it's not because you need that diploma paper! It's because that the law rules are not published freely online (at least not all of them), and if you want to compete other lawyers you have to DEDICATE 3 years of your life at learning how to become a lawyer!

It's true that internet marketing isn't something which you can learn at university.
But I think that a business degree WILL help me in my internet marking! Because it will open up my mind!

And yes, you are correct. I can gain more perspective when I go travelling around the world, I can do lots of stuff which will enlight my thinking. But in my opinion when you do a degree you decide to dedicate a big full 3 years to something, and that means a lot.

In my country when you get 21 or 22 you go out to travel the world on your own for like 8-12 months. and that's why I'm not old for this thing, even though that at most of the world starting a degree at 23 is old.

I have an open mind, I'm always open to hear new thoughts and ideas, and that's why I'm happy that you wrote that comment :) I would highly appreciate to see your further thoughts and ideas. Thank you!
Let me tell you something, if you really believe that going to a university will help you, then just do it. My opinion and everyone else's opinion on here is irrelevant since this is something that you feel is the best option for you to widen your perspective on life.

As for a recommendation on what degree you should get, consider a Bachelors Degree in Education (major in education, minor in mathematics). After all, the best way to learn about teachers and classrooms is to surround yourself with them (and you did say you enjoyed mathematics).
 
I dropped out of college years ago but I plan on going back to study physics. Since I was a child I've always wanted to unlock the mysteries of the universe....
 
Let me tell you something, if you really believe that going to a university will help you, then just do it. My opinion and everyone else's opinion on here is irrelevant since this is something that you feel is the best option for you to widen your perspective on life.

As for a recommendation on what degree you should get, consider a Bachelors Degree in Education (major in education, minor in mathematics). After all, the best way to learn about teachers and classrooms is to surround yourself with them (and you did say you enjoyed mathematics).
What's the difference between college and university? we don't have a college nor minor/major here
 
What's the difference between college and university? we don't have a college nor minor/major here

A college is part of a university, it covers a certain degree area, such as college of law, college of business etc. Some countries use faculty instead.
 
What's the difference between college and university? we don't have a college nor minor/major here
Many people use college and university interchangeably, although the differences between the 2 vary depending on where you live. For example, in the United States universities are often large and have research institutes whereas colleges are usually: smaller, have higher acceptance rates (especially when community colleges are concerned), and cheaper. Also, like STKMKTFTGRU said, colleges are often a part of a university and these colleges inside the university system often have different deans that oversee them.

By the way, what country are you from, anyway?
 
What's the difference between college and university? we don't have a college nor minor/major here

In the UK College is slightly different to University. After High School you can go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_form or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College#United_Kingdom and then University.

I will be back.
To read the above.
 
Dude I mean, WTF? You've received some excellent information from Zwielicht especially post #22 and then you go of debating it as if you're trying to prove someone wrong. I mean you've got to be able to take information on board and not attack it, especially if you're going to go to University.

All in all, it seems like you have made your mind up a while ago and need no more input.

So now that your mind is set go for it but do your research, look into the information provided by Zwielicht so that you don't waste your time during the degree.
 
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