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fucking CPA companies and shaving...

Discussion in 'Affiliate Programs' started by izm, Feb 11, 2008.

  1. izm

    izm Regular Member

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    I'm not gon mention any names (yet), but the credit reporting cant be this bad, I'm so mad, and I'm no newbie either I been with them for years now.... it's weird cause you'd have a good conversion rate, and all the sudden it drops, you just know they shaving, or better yet if you have multiple accounts with them, cmon one account converts better than other with identical offers? I guess I just want to say is, be careful with cpa companies, they're quick to shave leads, and you wont even know, compare same offers with different networks for conversion, you might start something, and it appears ur not profitable, but when in reality if they were reporting all the leads, you'd be good... think of all possibilities wasted? be careful cpa companies are dirty....
     
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  2. rahizzle21

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    Please give out a name, so we'll stay away. rep added for bringing this up.
     
  3. izm

    izm Regular Member

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    it's owned by a huge (ex) spammer... don't get me wrong, it's a great company, you just have to be careful, they're fucking dirty...
     
  4. rahizzle21

    rahizzle21 Registered Member

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    well, I ran into someone thats using some kind of a bot to do cpa offers. That seems like ultimate get back to me. lol.
     
  5. The OA

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    I think the "dirty factor" is part of CPA offers; especially with collecting leads, emails, zips, etc. As an affiliate, the handicap we have is that we do not get to define what is "quality" traffic.

    Oh ya, and it's not like the aff networks give any tips on this either. lol! Anyhow, I think the only solid way to deal with is is to get in good with your AM.
     
  6. BuzzKill

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    The non adult industry seems to mirror the behavior of the adult industry but about 5 or 6 years later. Shaving is not only common but necessary when running an affiliate program. With the amount of fraud * cough cough * that is committed against these companies, it has to be done to stay competitive and alive. Everyone does it and no one will stop unless they all stop at once, which of course they never will.

    The best advice is definitely make friends with your rep, talk to them as much as they will talk to you. When I ran an adult affiliate program, we called it a "bonus". "How much are we going to bonus him?" average was 10% but it was a simple as punching in a number from 0-100 to determine the % of the shave.

    When I left that company I took a stack of millions of dollars of invoices showing how much traffic was sent, and how much we really paid for it, with the % and bonus hand written on each one and signed by the owner of the company.

    We were paying $35-$40 per signup, in fact we were only paying $25 usually, but people would rather convert less and get paid higher signup fees, than more and less, if you follow. With a 50% conversion from trial to paid, we would have gone broke in two months. That is why when you see $70 Sundays or whatever, believe me, its all being made up somewhere.
     
  7. Smitty

    Smitty BANNED BANNED

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    Hmm, some names would be useful to me. I'm just getting started with CPA's, should I be reconsidering?
     
  8. brwipens

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    Ex-spammer? You are talking about CPAEmpire and Spamford Wallace then:)
     
  9. Steeky

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    I am in adult mostly and we get fucked like crazy
     
  10. Essential Clix

    Essential Clix Executive VIP Premium Member

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    no pun intended, eh?
     
  11. SFVDagg

    SFVDagg Newbie

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    Hey essential the companies that are in your sig file....They are good? You use personally? I am as well just getting going with these companies and dont know much about there reps.

    Thank you
     
  12. WINNA36

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    fukin max bounty the bastads shut my account down.. twats...
    cpa empire --- there fuked too.. set up a few campaigns.. with couple diff companies..all other compaies showed leeds andimpressions.. check cpaempire.. an no leed just impressions... thats bullshit tho... cuz i kno peeps fuled my shit out!
    there all as bad as each other! fuked!
     
  13. Essential Clix

    Essential Clix Executive VIP Premium Member

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    Oh yes, they're all quality CPA networks. There's also Hydra, Azoogle, MaxBounty, RocketProfit, PrimaryAds, FluxAds, CPA Empire, and many more.
     
  14. The OA

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    CPA Storm is pretty good; may go meet with my AM at ASW next weekend in Vegas. MaxBounty is cool, Copeac.. Azoogle has been in a rough patch for the past few months..

    NeverBlue Ads is cool, as is Market Leverage. I ran the SAME product on two different networks and truly realized how much of a difference a bad-ass landing page makes.

    Hadn't even heard of some of the networks in Essential's sig. Gonna check'em out!

    Thanks!
     
  15. quintessential

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    LOL-it's way to late at night, and that was freaking hilarious!
     
  16. izm

    izm Regular Member

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    seems like... shoemoney has talked about this...
     
  17. cashcorp

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    thanks, that little pun brightened my day ever so much. :p
     
  18. elvanvitar

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    shaving is just a part of the industry. but cpa empire is one of the scammiest companies around.
     
  19. bamboo

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    ex spammer? im guessing your talking about cpa empire
     
  20. plouyd

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    what's shaving?