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You may have just coined a new phrase they'll soon be using in prisons in replace of "shanked" and "analy invaded" ... DPed

Although I think the porn industry already has the market cornered on that phrase...
 
We could fuss, fight and argue all we want. DP will be the biggest e-marketplace forum. Why? It will because there will always be new players in the marketing game and it will keep growing. People love the idea of selling to a wide audience for free. Some people who're suppose to set examples there are very egoistic if I can say. All I can advise is only go there to sell and make money, if you get banned get another account. It's not so hard. You get infractions for anything so don't try to hard to be a real member of DP, milk them for everything they have.
 
See thats my issue sam, I dont "milk" people- I understand the biz. model, but mine is based on quality products. And Im not coming down on your or anything-Im just saying that I love making my customers happy! As a result, they buy more of my products and I make more money-which makes me happy.

Win-Win


And actually, Im looking into a few different copy protection methods, but to be honest I wouldnt mind pulling together with anyone else on here who had there shit sold on DP. En' masse lawsuit. There providing a medium for copyright violation, but beyond that there SELLING said things. These two individuals-I can handle. But I'd really like to knock some sense into DP, you just cant let people go around selling pirated shit on your forums.


Im sure this will go nowhere, but I'll gladly put a cold 2k up for the Sue-DP fund.
 
I would go after DP rather than than the members as it would make DP more aware of the protection all sellers need!
 
OK, I will weigh in on this one with a few words based on my own experience.

First, there is NO "seller protection" available on the internet, DMCA or not.

The reality is that no one really cares.

You sell an eBook, you are in New Jersey, your customer is in Montana and your credit card processor is in California.

In what state do you sue?

So what if your lawyer says to sue in even your home state?

You are going to have to pay for process service in the state in which the guy lives, your lawyer is most likely NOT going to take the case on contingency, so you've got to pay him/her a retainer and first thing you know, you've got ten grand or so invested in a case which you may or may not win and even if you do win, the guy can appeal, you're tied up in court for a couple of years and then if you FINALLY prevail, you get to start the asset search in order to dollect.

A guy says to me, "I'm going to sue you!", I tell him, "OK, you just said the MAGIC WORD! I'm no longer talking to you in ANY manner as we have become legal adversaries. You're going to sue me? Get the fuck busy! See ya in court!"

You know what?

99.999999999999999999% of such people then shut up and go away and you never hear from them again.

Now I'm not saying that what these guys have done is OK; I'm simply saying that as a practical matter, there is very little that can really be done about it.

Face it; any time you sell an eBook, someone is going to rip it off and resell it. This is a fact of life and there is really nothing that you can do.

There actually is a way and a good one, to slow them down.

You do not offer your program as an eBook but rather ONLY is PRINTED form or on CD; mailed to the billing address of the credit card used to pay. Yes, you may get fewer sales but at the same time, you advertise little snippets of the info to give them a taste and then using Fed/Ex Kinko's to make up your little books for less than $5 each, you mail your printed book or the CD using USPS Priority Mail with Delivery Confirmation so that you have a tracking number to prove that the item was received.

This procedure will slow them down at least for a week as you say that you mail out within five BUSINESS days, BUSINESS DAYS do NOT include weekends, by the way, then you have 3-5 days in the mail, so you've got some time to sell before the vultures come in.

Also, you can print your book in which is called "No Copy Blue" which colour will not show up on a copier. You can even use scan-proof security paper which will only yield a black scan or copy.

I don't know if there is any real copy protection avialable on CDs or not anymore, so I can't help much there.

You may have to adjust your price up a bit so that your profit margin remains up there.

I have sold certain products in this manner for years and only occasionally "lose" a sale because I do not offer the material in digital form. Additionally, chargebacks on digital items are nearly impossible to beat but with a USPS tracking number, you will win everytime. Offshore sales are a little tougher so you just keep the reciept for the postage and if you get a chargeback, simply scan the reciept and send it to them and they will cancel the chargeback.

In another post, I'll tell you how to make your own copy-proof paper.
 
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By the way, suing DP is off the table as DP is classified as an Internet Service Providor and therefore essentially immune from lawsuit.

A good explanation of the associated court decision may be found here and is also reprinted below:

hXXp://technology.findlaw.com/articles/00006/010615.html

Court Holds That ISPs Are Not Liable For Objectionable User Content
FindLaw
By Eric Sinrod,

Internet Service Providers (ISPs) naturally are concerned about circumstances under which they potentially could be liable for content posted by users. ISPs can breath a sigh of relief after a recent decision by a Texas federal judge who just dismissed an ISP as a defendant in the case of Doe v. Bates, even though the offending conduct at issue was alleged to be in violation of criminal law.

In that case, the plaintiffs alleged that the ISP knowingly hosted illegal child pornography on a particular e-group. An e-group is an Internet-based forum where users can engage in discussions and share files and the like. The e-group at issue is just one of a multitude of e-groups registered with this ISP.

While the individual defendant Bates had been imprisoned for his involvement as the moderator of the subject e-group, the plaintiffs claimed that the ISP had liability under a variety of legal theories, including negligence, intentional infliction of emotional distress, invasion of privacy, and civil conspiracy. The plaintiffs also asserted that the offending Internet content violated criminal anti-child pornography law.

In turn, the ISP filed a motion to be dismissed from the case. The ISP argued that it was entitled to immunity under Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act (CDA) with respect to content provided by another. The federal judge presiding of the case in Texas, agreed. This is important, as it appears to be the first instance in which a court has confirmed that Section 230 ISP immunity applies in a private civil lawsuit even when that suit is based on alleged criminal acts.

Specifically, the judge held that an intentional violation of criminal law is not an exception to the civil immunity provided to ISPs under the CDA. In analyzing the legislative history to Section 230, the judge found that Congress was clear in immunizing ISPs.

Indeed, according to the judge, "while the facts of a child pornography case such as this one my be highly offensive, Congress has decided that the parties to be punished and deterred are not the internet service providers but rather those who created and posted the illegal material, . . . such as the moderator of the . . . e-group."

The legislative history, as summarized by the judge, supported immunity for ISPs precisely so that they could act with freedom in regulating "obscenity." With such immunity, they can react and seek to limit improper content, without fear that their regulating conduct could open them up to liability for grappling with the content in more than a passive role.

Thus, according to the judge, "Congress decided not to allow private litigants to bring civil claims based on their own beliefs that a service provider's actions violated the criminal laws."

This represents a major win for ISPs. Now they can argue that not only does Section 230 afford immunity for third party content in the usual civil case, but that immunity even extends to civil cases in which the underlying content also violates criminal laws.

Of course, this is just one decision by one federal judge, and it is not binding on other federal trial judges, and certainly is not binding on appellate courts that may consider the issue. But, it still can be looked at by other courts for persuasive influence.

Eric Sinrod is a partner in the San Francisco office of Duane Morris LLP (http://www.duanemorris.com) where he focuses on litigation matters of various types, including information technology and intellectual property disputes. His Web site is http://www.sinrodlaw.com and he can be reached at [email protected]. To receive a weekly email link to Mr. Sinrod?s columns, please send an email to him with Subsc
 
I wouldnt mind pulling together with anyone else on here who had there shit sold on DP. En' masse lawsuit.

By doing that, wouldn't we be empowering DP users to do the same towards BHW? There has been a couple of DP stuff that was freely distributed here. Just my 2 cents.
 
In the interest of securing your products, would it be best to be placed in a membership site?

And with that could you limit a membership site to one computer or ip?

There are cookies that know it is you when you come on the site, could a cookie be made to suspend the membership if accesed by another ip?

I don't know. The programers here would be the ones to look to for something like this. I am definately not a programer.
 
DP is a SHIT no dhoubt and I promise if I get mad on them, I will DDOS those moder fuckerrrsssssssss
 
Well thanks for the breakdown Uptown, I would have had no problem investing a big chunk of change in this venture. But, if D.P is really registered as a ISP then I suppose Im fucked. Unless of course, there violating some laws by pretending to be an ISP as best I know you cant get a "digitalpoint connection"
 
Well thanks for the breakdown Uptown, I would have had no problem investing a big chunk of change in this venture. But, if D.P is really registered as a ISP then I suppose Im fucked. Unless of course, there violating some laws by pretending to be an ISP as best I know you cant get a "digitalpoint connection"

There is no real "registration" as an ISP but for legal purposes, almost any website is considered to be an ISP if it provides any sort of services like hosting, the ability to post, etc.

A website like BHW or DP under the law is not held responsible for the content of the member's posts, very much as the telephone company is not held responsible for the content of telephone conversations.

It's a good ruling but like all court decisions and laws, can be misued and you got a screwin' as the result.

Time to get a new plan and start marketing that one!

It's the shits but that's the way it is!
 
Ahhh.
Well at least I know BHW is safe from the same treatment then!
Guess I'll just fuck these to guys real hard, and figure out a better system for copy protection.
 
Ahhh.
Well at least I know BHW is safe from the same treatment then!
Guess I'll just fuck these to guys real hard, and figure out a better system for copy protection.

hmmmm,

why don't you just resell their ebooks, substituting their aff links w/yours. you could loosely reword the title and stuff...
 
although I do love the way you took action against them, pretty cool :D
 
One thing that you could do is send your programs as a non-printable, non-editable pdf; won't stop'em but it will slow them down a bit.

I'm curious as to whether or not you might include in your program files an exe or trojan, if you will, that would cause the program to self-destruct if it were zipped or rared for an upload.

You could include buried in your terms of service that the program would eat the hard drive if it's fucked with in any way.

Microsoft does essentially that when it disables Windows for you.

I know fuck all about programming so I may be out in left field on this.
 
Didn't Sony, or one of the other DVD manufacturers get their asses reamed in court over that kind of thing? Anything at your law library Uptown?
 
Didn't Sony, or one of the other DVD manufacturers get their asses reamed in court over that kind of thing? Anything at your law library Uptown?

Yeah, they did but it was because the copy protection opened all sorts of back doors than anything else.

From Wikipedia:

"The Sony BMG CD copy prevention scandal concerns the copy prevention measures included by Sony BMG on compact discs in 2005. Sony BMG included the Extended Copy Protection (XCP) and MediaMax CD-3 software on music CDs. XCP was put on 52 titles[1] and MediaMax was put on 50 titles.[2] This software was automatically installed on Windows desktop computers when customers tried to play the CDs. The software interferes with the normal way in which the Microsoft Windows operating system plays CDs, opening security holes that allow viruses to break in, and causing other problems. It is widely described as spyware.

As a result, a number of parties have filed lawsuits against Sony BMG; the company ended up recalling all the affected CDs; and greater public attention was drawn to the issue of commercially-backed spyware."

It gets worse!:

hXXp://www.engadget.com/2007/04/16/sony-copy-protection-taking-heat-again-now-dvds-wont-play/

"eports continue to filter in about DVDs that refuse to play on standard players from Toshiba, LG, Pioneer, Sony, and others. The culprit is titles that utilize Sony's ARccOS copy protection scheme, such as Disney's "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest," The Weinstein Company's "Lucky Number Slevin," and Sony's "Casino Royale," "The Holiday," and "Stranger Than Fiction." ARccOS artificially scrambles sectors on the disc in an attempt to keep users from ripping the disc to a drive. Many older (or less sophisticated) players simply skip these corrupted areas as unreadable and continue on. Computers -- and unfortunately, some newer players -- try to perform error correction on these areas and fail playback. When contacted, Sony seems to deny the problem, much like Microsoft and the 360 disc scratching, and simply passes the buck onto the player manufacturers to upgrade their firmware. Meanwhile, many users have simply downloaded programs to bypass the protection and make copies without the "defect." So, is this a rootkit-like class action lawsuit in the making? Is it just overblown hype over a few players that don't follow standards? Another example of copy protection that bites legitimate users and ignores the real problem? And do average consumers even care?"

Not quite the same thing as what I'm talking about but close.
 
Hey lads, i would just like to say. I've come from DP to here, been reading alot over the last few weeks and what a great community.
Can't wait to settle down and get to know the lot of you. FCUK DP :)
 
KARMA? - sit under a Bodhi tree and meditate on all the times you ripped things from here - .... oh but that dont matter was ages ago...
what goes around comes around guys - law of nature!
:spank:
 
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