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Freelance scam - please give input

Discussion in 'Business & Tax Advice' started by imontie, May 3, 2009.

  1. imontie

    imontie Junior Member

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    Hey black/white hatters,

    I just did a job for a guy who wanted a website and a bit of content written. We decided on a price and I got started... He had great communication and everything was finished on time. Here's where I messed up... I gave him the files and everything for the site and asked him to pay after and that's when he told me that his paypal account was frozen... I understood because I know paypal can be strict. He said that he would be talking to them on the phone the next morning regarding getting it unfrozen. I told him that would be fine and then 3-4 days passed before I could contact him again. He told that paypal was investigating the issue and that if I wanted he would wire the money to my bank account and I said that would he great. I sent him all the info he needed and another 3-4 days passed. He told me that his bank account was under fraud investigation because he purchased $30k worth of stuff on a credit card in another state... That's when I got leery... Since he told me that about his bank it's been a week. The guy owes me $650. The domain has private registration so I can't get his phone number or address.

    Am I totally screwed? I'm going to talk to his domain registrant and host about the situation and see if I can either get his info or have them take the site down and then I can use it for myself or sell it.

    Would it be worth taking to small claims court? I am only 17 but my parents know about my online work so they would help out.

    Lesson learned: always write up contracts for projects! Also, never give entire project over before getting paid!
     
  2. crashed

    crashed Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Write to his webhost saying he is using materials on his website that you have copyright over (you created them, and if u can prove that ur sorted). They will suspend the site, also email his domain registra saying the same thing.

    Hope this helps,
     
  3. NX_NULL

    NX_NULL Regular Member Premium Member

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    Sue him

    if you win in the court you will get some hundred thousand dollars
     
  4. tousif1988

    tousif1988 Junior Member

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    Fastest method: Go to his place and kick his ass.:D



    You learnt the lesson.
    Mistakes makes a man perfect. Did you hear that somewhere else too. Don't tell me. :cool:
     
  5. imontie

    imontie Junior Member

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    ^ that made no sense...

    anyways... thanks guys! if anyone else has any ideas it would be appreciated :)
     
  6. plunge

    plunge BANNED BANNED

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    suing him will cost a fortune in lawyer time, and you probably won't get anything out of it.. maybe small claims. i'd go the dmca route like someone else mentioned. claim copyrighted content on his site
     
  7. Canuck

    Canuck Junior Member

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    Keep on him - or give out his email/domain here and let the blackhatters at him.

    Lesson learned, just move on with your life.
     
  8. writt

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    Ha, I like this idea the best! :D
     
  9. tripl3six3s

    tripl3six3s BANNED BANNED

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    Be thaknful that it wasn't an amount over $650 (not saying that that's not a lot), but you learned and won't make that mistake again
     
  10. wowmanwow

    wowmanwow Registered Member

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    Threaten him. Say you'll forward all the 10k spam in your inbox to him. (That actually worked for me once ;))
     
  11. keinehabe

    keinehabe Supreme Member

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    it's a shame ... actually I think better you go to the marketplace here on forums and sell the site ( files ) for which you had work maybe you recover a part of your loss ... you can spamm like hell hes domain :D ...
     
  12. nookie

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    Lots of bad advice here. Listen, you're probably not going to see a penny.
    Just ask one of the xrumer guys would they xrumer the shit out of his site until it gets removed from search rankings. Then, email him, tell him that you have run a tool which has had his site de-indexed from google, and that you can have him re-indexed within a matter of minutes of payment. See what happens.
     
  13. Whisker

    Whisker Moderator Staff Member Moderator Premium Member

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    In the future sign contracts and get their name or freelance through a reputable site like elance, scriptlance, odesk, etc.

    To find more possible info reverse ip his domain then whois the other domains on the server if there are any. It's a long shot to collect anything unless you find more info.
     
  14. imontie

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    Update: After almost 2 weeks of no response, I decided to talk to a lawyer. I went back home and told him that I had talked to my lawyer so we would be taking this to court if I don't see my money and he decided to pay up... He paid Escrow they just have to wire it to my bank.

    Thanks for the advice guys.
     
  15. DEEZNUTS

    DEEZNUTS Newbie

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    lol consider yourself very lucky that the dude was not too smart.

    always have a contract and try to get money up front.
     
  16. IcedCube

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    EScrow. =O
     
  17. imontie

    imontie Junior Member

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    Ha I got the money... it's in my bank account right now :p

    you know what's funny.. he acted like nothing even happened... and hired me for another job lmao! now I make him pay escrow before I even start :p
     
  18. hotcheats

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    Huh...the guy just wasn't too smart...if you didn't make any legal contract he could just screw you anyway he want. Good thing that you eventually got the money. I had a situation something like that when I was like 16, couple of years ago, when I had little idea about doing business online :p
     
  19. domainplayer

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    lol, no you won't. First of all, he probably doesn't have a hundred thousand dollars so he will just declare bankruptcy and you get nothing. Second of all, it cost more money to sue him than you will possibly make out of a case regarding $650.

    P.S. good thing you got the money
     
  20. cliffdropper

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    Lucky kid. He liked your work. If he didn't, you would not have seen a penny. Keep up the good work, getting $650 per site is not bad. I have lost thousands even with contracts. I used to take it with a smile but no longer.

    Here is where I go if I run into a problem: (I guess I need more posts to post a link)
    So search "Duns Contingent Collection" There are three ways to use them to collect your money for you. I have heard businesses give more weight to Duns & Bradstreet and don't like the threat of collection.

    This is for companies working with companies. I think it works for the US only?