Found niche, any good?

jeffdonk · Nov 2, 2009

Found a nice little niche today, keyword is: "keyword1 keyword2 keyword3", and it has about 8000 searches a month in google keyword tool. Allintitle only shows 63 other sites (These are norwegian keywords btw). average cpc is 5$.

Now, domain http://www.keyword1-keyword2-keyword3.mytld if available, and so is the same without hyphens.

So first of all, is this a decent niche to go after, and second, what domain should I buy? with or without hyphens?

alfaprima · Nov 2, 2009

I would do some more research..
- seasonal?
- Competition?
The easiest way is using market samurai (in this forum) and get a clear view on where are you heading..
Of course, if you have more money than time, you can just throw a blog at it and see what happes.

jeffdonk · Nov 2, 2009

might just throw a blog, but.. been reading everything I can find about domains with or without hyphen without really making any conclusions? So.. in this case.. what's recommened?

bryanon · Nov 2, 2009

I've found that Google seems to love domain names that don't include hyphens a little more than the ones that do. I'm talking about a really small sample here so don't take my word as the absolute truth but if it was me building the site I would likely go with the name without hyphens unless there's a good reason not to (i.e. all of the three keywords are very long etc.)

jeffdonk · Nov 2, 2009

but can google actually see the three keywords? example: swim-vacation-usa.tld vs. swimvacationusa.tld ? I agree that the domain without hyphens looks less spammy. hmm. maybe I should buy bought and do the exact same thing to both to see who ranks best.

eskimo · Nov 2, 2009

Either domain (hyphens or no hyphens) will rank well if you make the site good.
Domain names are important, but content is far more important.

Generally, if i can get the non hyphen version, I'll take that first, simply because it is easier for type in traffic.

It also depends on the length of the keywords though. If they are short words, either is good. Eg:

www.cat-dog-rat.com
www.catdograt.com

If they are longer keywords, maybe go for the hyphens:

www.tyranosaurasrextricerotopsbrontosauras.com
www.tyranosaurasrex-tricerotops-brontosauras.com

bryanon · Nov 2, 2009

jeffdonk said:
but can google actually see the three keywords? example: swim-vacation-usa.tld vs. swimvacationusa.tld ?

Yes, it can.

Buhry · Nov 2, 2009

Give me the norwegian keywords, and I will look into it... as well as rape the niche if it's any good

jeffdonk · Nov 2, 2009

you working mainly on norwegian sites buhry?

mosoi148 · Nov 2, 2009

I read somewhere (cant remember where) that G just sees hyphens as a normal space between words. From my experience the hyphens make no difference. Like Eskimo said, the non hyphen domains are just easier for type in traffic to remember.

iliketurtles · Nov 2, 2009

I could write this in Norwegian, but one should respect the other members here.. hehe..

Now, 8k searches a month? Is that exact or broad search? Cuz Adwords is way off, most of the time.. Hmmm are you in the same niche as myself, by any chance..? Not gonna tell you which niche I`m in, but I`ve got the same ammount of searches. Damn hard to rank, though.. But I`m on #3 now..

Good luck.

Buhry · Nov 2, 2009

I'm not working in the norwegian market at all at the moment. I plan on maybe doing some seo consulting within the norwegian market once I own my niches on the global market though, should be easy. However I don't know if my usual backlinking tactics would work for norwegian sites XD

Is 8000 in exact match though? Sounds like a lot. From what I've seen the exact number of searches isn't exactly high for most norwegian search terms.

iliketurtles · Nov 3, 2009

Not sure if you`re talking to me or jeffdonk here, but for me it`s 8000 hits on exact..

jeffdonk · Nov 3, 2009

8000 is exact here aswell, but.. I rank #1 for other keywords and the google number are usually off by a couple of 1000s. Still, decent money. What's you CTR iliketurtles?

about strategies.. yeah, normal linking only gets you so far. Getting to page 2 is easy, getting to page one is a pain

w4rl0rdx · Nov 3, 2009

Interesting but idk. Might be worth a test.

Have you checked it in Market Samurai?

jeffdonk · Nov 4, 2009

market samurai is not very exact when it comes to norwegian keywords afaik. Seems to use google.com instead of google.no etc so the results are incorrect. Might be a setting I don't know about though

SRLee · Nov 4, 2009

I prefer non-hyphen domains.

When was the last time you saw a domain with hyphens ranking at No.1?

SSL9000J · Nov 4, 2009

SRLee said:
I prefer non-hyphen domains.

When was the last time you saw a domain with hyphens ranking at No.1?

Oo, very good point! Never thought of that.

Deleted member 23846 · Nov 4, 2009

From my personal experience hyphens rank much lower and are worse for people to remember put something at the start to make the domain easy and better to rank for eg
atkeyword.com
simple stuff like that works very well for me.

Leads Provider · Nov 4, 2009

there were days when hyphens were used for TOP seo purpose... hyhens are nt tooo good thou..

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