For those given a manual penalty by Google using GWT: Does getting rid of GWT help it?

Just a quick question and I searched but maybe missed a thread about this:
If you were hit by Penguin and given a manual penalty by Google, did getting rid of Google Analytics/GWTs get rid of the penalty at all for you/affect it in any way? I am wondering what the probability is that if you were to remove GWT it would positively benefit the sandboxing scenario, as it removes the relationship between Google and the webmaster. Anyone have experience with this?

First, if it is manual penalty then modify the site structure and add/remove pages and do some 301 redirect and try to delete any spam links and apply for reconsideration.

If it doesn't work out then remove webmaster tools and blast the site with generic anchors and add more pages to it.

If both are not working then 301 to new site.

Webmaster tools has no effect on your website, other than being able to(Not sure if they do it) find out what websites a person owns. WMT is simply a way for google to inform you about your website's status, it has no effects on your rankings whatsoever. Infact, you might even find it useful to know where your keywords rank, what keywords are gaining, which ones are dropping etc., besides the other obvious uses.

deleting your Google WMT or Analytics account will not remove your penalty, it is just a tool for you to see how your website performs in the Google index.

I agree with linksmaster, blast some generic links to your site like "click here", to bring your keyword in link ratio down a little, then ask them to reconsider the site again.

Let us know how you get on.

From what Google has stated in their webmaster help/bashing forum is that the penalties will expire at some point. It could take six months according to sources elsewhere, but those sources are probably as reliable as having a site ranked #1 these days. If you do not want to file a reconsideration request, continue building quality links and wait for the penalty to expire. And the penalties will indeed expire because something has to overtake a lot of the shit dominating the SERPS these days. Good luck

Yeah I know all about the fixing penalty junk, what I am wondering is if anyone has ever actually experimented and determined what bearing GWMT has on the penalty length, as if they cannot communicate with you directly due to the ending of a GWMT relationship, does this cause the penalty to be shortened, removed quicker, etc. There ends a relationship between the google account and the site, which may in turn have an effect on the penalty length.... Does anyone have any actual proof regarding this?

I would highly doubt it... the penalty is based on your website in the Google index... Whether or not you have GWMT or not, I would say the penalty would last the same length of time... Either way.

I cannot provide proof though, this is just my assumption.

Any truth to the "six month" penalty? If so, September can't come soon enough!

Removing GWT should have no effect. It is not as though you are going to drop off their radar and become an anonymous site. They still know you are you. They can see through your little whosi guard and know all about your hosting IP.

Look at this way - you go to the doctor. He says you have breathing difficulties form heavy smoking. He suggests you give up smoking . Do you -

A - get rid of the doctor; or

B- do what he suggests.

Shooting the messenger won't do a thing.

bellagio said:

Any truth to the "six month" penalty? If so, September can't come soon enough!

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Read here. The page links off to more reputable sources if you read the article. Much of the six month theory is speculation that Google employees can't apply a penalty beyond that length of time other than entirely removing sites from their index. John Mueller's text is below in case you don't want to sift through a bunch of posts to find the golden nuggets.

Just to touch base here in this long thread -- I hope these aren't things you've already covered (lots of good feedback is here already). If your site receives a notification of web-spam or manual action in Webmaster Tools, then that will be due to a web-spam review and manual action that has been taken. While manual actions will expire at some point, I would strongly not recommend sweeping them under the carpet and hoping that they go away on their own -- at least if you're interested in having your site be optimally represented in our search results. Even when a manual action expires (which might take quite some time), if the reason for the original manual action is still relevant, it's always possible that the manual action is returned later on. In my opinion, if you're aware of issues that are negatively affecting your site's performance in search, and if its performance there is important to you, then resolving those issues is often a good use of time.

With regards to links, we have to recrawl those linking pages in order to recognize the changes that were made there, but in many cases we're quite fast in crawling and picking up changes. The submit-URL feature is useful for submitting new URLs for crawling and indexing, but won't have a direct effect with regards to how quickly we recognize the links on those URLs (if we've already crawled and indexed them in the past), so it wouldn't help to submit all of those URLs there.


Cheers
John

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Z0mbie said:

Webmaster tools has no effect on your website, other than being able to(Not sure if they do it) find out what websites a person owns. WMT is simply a way for google to inform you about your website's status, it has no effects on your rankings whatsoever. Infact, you might even find it useful to know where your keywords rank, what keywords are gaining, which ones are dropping etc., besides the other obvious uses.

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OOoohhhh noooo...... They DO use it to find out what websites a person owns.

Let me sketch a scenario:

I owned about 80 sites in a private blog network.
One of these was in my WMT with my main business site, as well as about 3 or 4 of client sites for which I built websites and that I submitted sitemaps for or checked the useful stuff like which keywords are they being found for etc.

I used BMR to build links to my main business site. Google gave me the 'unnatural links' warning in March and penalised my site to > 50 (previously being in #1 for my main kw).
That was bad enough. But about 3 weeks after that Google:
1. Deindexed all the sites in my WMT
2. Deindexed all the sites that it could find with my main email address associated with the registration (the same email address it picked out of the sites in my WMT)

You see, I was a trusty little fluffy bunny believing in the GOOD GOOGLE (or stupid Google). I believed that the Google algorithm was too stupid to read registry details, and that they would never have enough manpower to manually search for sites involved in SEO practices of the darker hat variety. Well, we have all been proven wrong. They have a whole Spam team sitting there just doing that....

So, no. Do not use WMT if you are doing ANYTHING REMOTELY not white hat (in other words, just building content for your site). If you do any link building of any variety whatsoever, then it is a bad idea to use it since you are just giving them info about YOURSELF. Not about your site, that they have already. Just out of interest sake, is anyone aware of anyone who got penalised for unnatural links but who didn't have WMT??? I am not talking about Penguin, I am talking about the period when 'unnatural link warnings went out' and a site immediately dropped > 50.

anyone have any data or links to authority information proving that generic links (click here, domain name, try here) help you get out of the "unnatural links" GWT message?