Finding reputable SEO providers? Long rant

I agree with you in some cases. I personally provide my clients proof that I am providing the service. I show them the type of high quality links that I am building. Along with how to improve the website and do on site optimization and many more. That is why I charge XXXX/month. So if you are looking for something like this dont expect it to be cheap.
 
I decided to answer some of your questions from a seller's perspective.
How do you find a company or a person that actually knows what they are doing. I have spoken with companies ranging from a few hundred a month to thousands of dollars a month. Every damn one of them has the exact same presentation. They never have a real plan. They just say, "oh, we'll get you good quality links through good content." No one says what that is, how they'll do it, how long it will take ect...
Most SEO providers have a real "plan" XX amount of web 2.0,XX amount of press releases per month for a certain amount of months. I can GUARANTEE that they have a plan to build certain amount and certain type of links. What they CANNOT tell you is how long it will take you to rank. NO SEO provider can tell you this. It is one of the most difficult things to predict.
It makes me wonder, why is SEO even charged on a monthly basis?

That's the cycle of the moon, what does it have to do with anything. I've asked just about every provider to give me a basic timeline of what to expect. All I'd like to see is them to actually analyze the site, point out the weaknesses on-page, what they will do to fix that, how long it will take. Then plans for creating content, distributing it in terms of campaigns, blog posts, videos, infographics whatever.
Also, SEO should be on a monthly basis. Why? You arent the only one who has hired a SEO agency. Your competitors are doing SEO too. If you dont keep it constant you will fall from your position.
What you are talking about here is a boutique SEO service. You want someone to work with you. You want SEO consulatation and advice along with laser targetted help. Purchasing a simple link package wont cut it. My clients pay XXXX/month for this. Again, it is not cheap as you are taking advice and help from an experienced person and not some random outsourcer from a 3rd world country.

Is it too much to ask for someone to tell me what they are going to do and why? In any other industry in the world, an expert charging hundreds of dollars an hour, should have enough grasp on their field to be able to have a plan, why that plan is the best option, and what kind of results to expect from it. Even if the plan was fully implemented and was a complete flop, I'd understand. But just writing big check each month and being told that it might take a year for there to be any real progress seems like a great fleece.
Its not too much to ask. There are plenty of providers who are happy to do a full disclosure. You can sign and agreement that you will not leave the provider and attempt to duplicate the plan. As long as a contract is set I dont think there is a problem with that. Again, no one can guarantee you positions. They can say for eg that you will see improvement within 1 week as the links get indexed or something of that sort.

Also, is it wrong to think that slow link building that takes months to gain any momentum probably have no real value today or in the future. In my mind, it's obvious google is pushing fresh new content to the first page. The boston marathon is a good example of this: Monday morning, if you searched for boston marathon, you would have got all kinds of info on the race. Yet, Monday afternoon, the front page is full of discussions and news articles only an hour or two old. While I don't expect an SEO company to launch me to the first page overnight, doesn't it make sense that if google doesn't see value in your link/content the first day it's published, then they likely aren't going to see it valuable a month from now, a year from now, etc?
You are getting it wrong. What SEO providers are talking about is called indexing. A link has value today or tommorow. It doesnt ordinarily lose value unless penalized. You tell me. If you suddenly had a burst of 10000 links. Wouldnt it look like you are trying to mainpulate the serps. It would easily give you a penalty and destroy whatever rankings you had. If you website is aged then you can link build faster than if it is new.

I'd love to be able to do it myself, but my business is already too big for me to handle on my own, and dedicating even more time to SEO work isn't going to be possible. So how can I find someone who is actually capable of running an SEO/IM campaign in a manner that would be somewhat accountable for the money spent?
If you dont hire someone to do it for you expect to spend hundreds of hours managing your campaign. You can talk it out discuss budget and requirements. I am sure you will find MANY capable providers.
Ask them what they plan to do. Write down a contract saying you will not duplicate the campaign for yourself. I am sure that any SEO provider is willing to comply with your requirements if a contract is in place.
 
I'm not looking for #1. I'm looking for traffic. There are a million ways to the same end. When a plan looks like: Pay $10,000 up front, and $7,000 a month afterwards, and in 6-12 months you might see improvements, it's hard to put faith in that. I'm not marketing generic viagra, I have a legitimate business that is on a broad scale. I get the impression most SEO providers have no experience in anything but local SEO, because frankly that is simple. But competing in a multi-billion dollar industry on an international level, I think that requires some real talent. If a company tells me they have that talent, I need more then just their word. This is a higher stake game them most are used to.

If you need traffic and not looking for No 1 then you are looking for something called SEM. Media buys and of sorts. Pay Per Click, Banner ads, Pay Per View and something like that. It will cost you above $10k. However, you should get at least 100% ROI.

My client does both. He does SEO and meanwhile he does SEM to get short term traffic. He spends $100-$300/day on adwords. However, he gets over 100% ROI.

If you are looking for long term traffic then it is SEO. SEO is cheaper in the long run and provides a lot of traffic. You probably dont understand. #1 is where MOST of the traffic is. If you are not anywhere in the first page you probably will not get any traffic.

This is my suggestion. Start advertising on Google and Bing and do some media buys. At the same time do SEO. That way you get some traffic now and eventually when you are No.1 you can stop the advertising and rely solely on SEM.
 
I decided to answer some of your questions from a seller's perspective.

Most SEO providers have a real "plan" XX amount of web 2.0,XX amount of press releases per month for a certain amount of months. I can GUARANTEE that they have a plan to build certain amount and certain type of links. What they CANNOT tell you is how long it will take you to rank. NO SEO provider can tell you this. It is one of the most difficult things to predict.
It makes me wonder, why is SEO even charged on a monthly basis?


Also, SEO should be on a monthly basis. Why? You arent the only one who has hired a SEO agency. Your competitors are doing SEO too. If you dont keep it constant you will fall from your position.
What you are talking about here is a boutique SEO service. You want someone to work with you. You want SEO consulatation and advice along with laser targetted help. Purchasing a simple link package wont cut it. My clients pay XXXX/month for this. Again, it is not cheap as you are taking advice and help from an experienced person and not some random outsourcer from a 3rd world country.


Its not too much to ask. There are plenty of providers who are happy to do a full disclosure. You can sign and agreement that you will not leave the provider and attempt to duplicate the plan. As long as a contract is set I dont think there is a problem with that. Again, no one can guarantee you positions. They can say for eg that you will see improvement within 1 week as the links get indexed or something of that sort.

You hit this across the board, this guy has given you all the answers you needed, if you want consultation, someone to give you advice, I mean an overal marketing manager, be prepared to pay xxxx/ month.
 
Hey Redsand, lets talk, id like to compare notes with you. I'm in the same boat, and am currently going through the same process. I have some websites I need to find a go-to SEO guy as well. I've interviewed a few companies and no one has sold me on their services yet. My background is in marketing and some of my clients would like SEO as well, which I could outsource to my SEO guy once i know that they can do what they claim too.
 
I am also looking for a serious SEO guy. The problem is this that these EXPERTS will come and tell you that SEO is not your piece of cake, so move on or be ready to invest thousand for over a year and you will even not be guaranteed what will be the outcome. So how come one can rely on that and be assured and satisfied he is in the right hands?

Which is crazy what business tells its customers either pay thousands of $$ or move on, with out making its customer feel confident and assured with the decision we are making in using the service
 
Which is crazy what business tells its customers either pay thousands of $$ or move on, with out making its customer feel confident and assured with the decision we are making in using the service

This is exactly my point. It's as if your car was broken, and every mechanic just said, "leave me a blank check and your car for an undetermined amount of time, and I may or may not fix it for you."

I have no problem paying a monthly fee, if each month has an outline of tasks to be preformed and proof that they are done. But it seems they like to act like it takes months and months of work, so they can't show you anything in the first few months. It's hard to not feel ripped off. If you are telling me it will take months and months worth of work to even show you did something then why I am I paying on a monthly basis? If you are going to tell me it will take 6 months for you to deliver me any proof of work performed, I'll pay you when you have the proof.

It's like building a house. You don't pay the contractor his draws until he has reached certain predetermined points in the project, where it takes a week or a year. This is more of what I am getting at. If you are charging monthly, you better have a monthly list of deliverables.
 
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Well, since I am running an SEO business, I will give you quick tips that will help you filter out 95% of the crappy SEO providers on the web so that you focus on the ones that would actually deliver!

1) Before choosing to invest or even waste your time talking to an SEO consultant about an SEO plan, ask them what keywords their very own SEO website is ranked for. Believe me, the vast majority of SEO firms on the web are not even ranked for a single keyword!

If an SEO provider/firm cannot rank themselves for any medium/high competition keywords, do not waste your hard earned money with them as they will never be able to rank your website.

2) Ignore TOPSEOs or any websites SEO ranking websites. They are inaccurate and are focused towards people who pay them the most or even to increase exposure to the owner of this SEO tracking company's own SEO business(es).

3) Check if the SEO company has social media presence or engaging in any SEO forums. Track their reputation!

4) Do NOT trust any reviews other than the ones on forums. Most SEO Companies use fake reviews or write their own!

Good luck!
 
Well - It's a double edged Sword really

Most Seo Companies have their own approach to ranking and know what the broad timeframe for results would be - but when you move up to the top level of competition and keyword difficulty then you get alot more unknowns - simply due to pretty much guaranteeing everyone is using a Seo Company.

Next when you move up to that level the work needs to be very high quality and manual - so the cost is higher than normal

There is always risk in any Seo Project because you often take over working on something that 5 other companies have already screwed up - so balancing the good with the bad adds another element.

Probably lastly is cost -- if someone quotes you $200-$600 a month you know they are using software to do the job for you - so if that's what you want then that's your price point

but for quality Content / Quality Links in a consistent flow then your looking $1000 + a month.

I actually disagree with the above person - I have just a simple website that I don't care where it ranks - because most of our clients are referrals and I couldn't handle 20+ clients anyway - I just take on a handful but try to only take $1000 + a month clients ..... Why would I bother trying to outrank other companies who are much larger and spend all day spieling off on Blogs / Videos / Syndications ... I actually made my own niche network that pulls in more money from Google alone from Amazon Commissions ... so honestly I don't think that means anything.

Not sure if I answered your question the way you wanted it done -- but in summary --- there's give and take - we don't hand out Rankings Blueprints but I think most people would be willing to tell you what they are going to do in general terms .. its like intellectual property I guess.... we have to protect ourselves as well.
 
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